Abortion

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri

Having sex you should be prepared for unfortunate or unforseen outcomes, yes. That's not what you said is it? You originally said that you shouldn't have sex if you don't want a baby. Don't ever use the term "flip-flopper" on anyone again.

-AC

You fool,... what are they teaching you kids in school nowdays anyhow?

Can't you comprehend english as well as you can type it?

"Having sex you should be prepared for unfortunate or unforseen outcomes" = "Don't have sex if you don't want a baby"

Here let me add: "Or an STD". Its still an unforseen outcome of sex.

By me saying "Dont have sex if you don't want a baby", I think you have misinterpereted me to say "Sex is only for baby making. Stop if you don't want kids".

People who don't want kids can have sex (they already do), but they may have a baby from sex (natural occurence out of their control).

This is a cold, hard fact.

What these people do is give it up for adoption, or have an abortion.

Let me change my stance to be more precise (not flip-flopping, as you did earlier, just fine tunning)

"Dont have sex if you don't want to deal with a baby."

When it is proved in the near future that conception starts at birth(and it will be) and abortion is made illegal, except in medical emergencies for the life of the mother(and it will be).... people who don't want kids(and everyone else) will still have to deal with the "Illogical, Dark Age, Idiotic" truth: "Don't have sex if you don't want to deal with a baby."

Only they won't have the option to kill it. 😎

Did AC read my earlier post?

Originally posted by sithsaber408

When it is proved in the near future that conception starts at birth(and it will be)

...what?

Whats interesting is that a matter of human rights is turned into a religious podium.....................hmmm

Originally posted by sithsaber408
You fool,... what are they teaching you kids in school nowdays anyhow?

Now now, temper.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
Can't you comprehend english as well as you can type it?

Bit of a contradiction there isn't it?

Originally posted by sithsaber408
"Having sex you should be prepared for unfortunate or unforseen outcomes" = "Don't have sex if you don't want a baby"

Hahaha, where on Earth did you deduce that?

Prepared for, as in, accept the POSSIBLE occurance of. If it happens, deal with it however you want to. Be it abortion or adoption.

You suggested that if you do not want a child in your life, you should not have sexual intercourse. That has nothing to do with preparation and everything to do with being a moron.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
Here let me add: "Or an STD". Its still an unforseen outcome of sex.

Irrelevant though, isn't it? We're discussing abortion.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
By me saying "Dont have sex if you don't want a baby", I think you have misinterpereted me to say "Sex is only for baby making. Stop if you don't want kids".

I never misinterpreted it, you factually said that. You constructed and posted a sentence that implied that and never corrected yourself. If that's not what you mean, be clear.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
People who don't want kids can have sex (they already do), but they may have a baby from sex (natural occurence out of their control).

You were top of your class weren't you? I can just tell, you're overly perceptive.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
This is a cold, hard fact.

Sure is, champ.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
What these people do is give it up for adoption, or have an abortion.

Yes. What's your point?

Originally posted by sithsaber408
Let me change my stance to be more precise (not flip-flopping, as you did earlier, just fine tunning)

You're correcting your f*ck up, it's ok to admit it.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
"Dont have sex if you don't want [B]to deal with a baby."[/b]

That's just as bad. You're more or less saying the same thing, man. How ridiculous.

People can feel free to have sex if they don't want or want to deal with, a child. Because in the event of pregnancy, they can either abort it or give it away. That is their choice.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
When it is proved in the near future that conception starts at birth(and it will be) and abortion is made illegal, except in medical emergencies for the life of the mother(and it will be).... people who don't want kids(and everyone else) will still have to deal with the "Illogical, Dark Age, Idiotic" [B]truth: "Don't have sex if you don't want to deal with a baby."[/b]

When? I doubt it will be, infact I'm sure of it. So until that day arrives, the above quote is worth NOTHING.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
Only they won't have the option to kill it. 😎

Yes, it's so cool to remove options from people you have nothing to do with.

-AC

One more thing for AC....

I originally posted "You shouldn't have sex if you don't want a baby" in one post and in another I posted:

"Of course it's logical that having sex will lead to pregnancy, and of course it's logical to say that you shouldn't have sex if you aren't prepared for it." ("It" being a pregnancy/baby)

So I "flip-flopped" where exactly?

"

AC you are really starting to piss me off.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
One more thing for AC....

I originally posted "You shouldn't have sex if you don't want a baby" in one post and in another I posted:

"Of course it's logical that having sex will lead to pregnancy, and of course it's logical to say that you shouldn't have sex if you aren't prepared for it." ("It" being a pregnancy/baby)

So I "flip-flopped" [B]where exactly?

" [/B]

.......Are you actually serious? You went back on yourself TWICE in the previous post you made. You said "You shouldn't have sex if you don't want a baby" which is moronic. Then you changed to "What I meant was, you should be prepared it might happen." then changed to "Don't have sex if you don't want to deal with a baby" aka the first one.

Originally posted by Makedde
AC you are really starting to piss me off.

Hilarious.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
.......Are you actually serious? You went back on yourself TWICE in the previous post you made. You said "You shouldn't have sex if you don't want a baby" which is moronic. Then you changed to "What I meant was, you should be prepared it might happen." then changed to "Don't have sex if you don't want to deal with a baby" aka the first one.

Hilarious.

-AC

They Both mean The Same F*CKING thing fool!

"Dont have sex if you aren't prepared for the possibility that you could be pregnant".... simplified, for stubborn dicks like you is "Don't have sex if you don't want a baby."

What's up for debate is if you should be allowed to kill the child that comes from sex, not if having sex will get you a baby.

Of course it will, and if you don't want the choice, don't have sex.

(the pregnancy-translate:baby is what you are choosing)

So I'm right, "Don't have sex if you don't want a baby"

You will get a baby eventually if you keep on trying. Whether or not you abort it doesn't change the fact that you had it inside you.

So have sex=baby. no baby=don't have sex.

abortion=a cop-out, a depressing answer to a hedonistic societies desire to have wanton gratuitous sex whenever they feel like it and not deal with the consequences, murder, the loss of innocent life, and the cause of 1/3rd of my generation not to be here.

I've stated my views in this thread often enough, and people know where I'm at.

I respect those who have differing oppinons and have enjoyed the discussions with:Vic von Doom, Makedde, Shaky, Cyber Ninja, Ushgarak, powerful one, and others.

I hope that a little more life experience will help you AC. You will probably not care for it, but I will pray for you. (the Bible teaches me that when I pray for an enemy it just heeps hot coals on his head anyway 😄 )

I'm off for the weekend, next sat. is my b-day (23!) and I'm headed to the Bay Area to see my family.

And attend the bridal shower of a young girl who is my age that is getting married as a virgin.

How "Archaic", huh?

Peace. 🤘

Originally posted by sithsaber408
They Both mean The Same F*CKING thing fool!

Exactly my point, you denied it, went against it then went back on it. It's all there in writing...foo'.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
What's up for debate is if you should be allowed to kill the child that comes from sex, not if having sex will get you a baby.

It's barely up for debate, it's not your decision. Until it's proven that life begins at conception (which won't happen), then you've got a grand total of zero proof.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
Of course it will, and if you don't want the choice, don't have sex.

What do you mean if you don't want the choice? If a woman has sex but doesn't want kids, then ends up pregnant, she has every right to either give it away, have it and keep it, or abort it. That is all there is to be said on the matter.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
(the pregnancy-translate:baby is what you are choosing)

So I'm right, "Don't have sex if you don't want a baby"

No, you're actually very wrong, out of line and out of touch with how the world works.

Let's get your view correct: You believe people CAN have sex before marriage...but they must be prepared for the event of pregnancy if they do? If that is your belief, fine. If pregnancy occurs though, they are not obligated to go through with it just because you think it's wrong. Think outside the box you live in.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
You will get a baby eventually if you keep on trying. Whether or not you abort it doesn't change the fact that you had it inside you.

Hahaha, trying? People who try for a baby have sexual intercourse without condoms. People who aren't, don't.

Of course it doesn't change it, what's the point? There is none.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
So have sex=baby. no baby=don't have sex.

No, that's your broken and depressingly stupid logic. Sexual intercourse doesn't ALWAYS equal a pregnancy does it? No. It happens to people who don't want kids through mistakes, broken condoms such and such. If you don't want kids, you don't have to never have sexual intercourse. If you get pregnant still, then it's up to you what you do with the foetus.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
abortion=a cop-out, a depressing answer to a hedonistic societies desire to have wanton gratuitous sex whenever they feel like it and not deal with the consequences, murder, the loss of innocent life, and the cause of 1/3rd of my generation not to be here.

In your opinion it's a cop out. Therein lies your flawed and warped logic, which I will now expose as such and selfish to boot:

A) Wanting to have sex whenever you feel like it is not a negative.

B) It's not murder, it will never be proven to be murder scientifically, legally? It's not murder.

Here is the curtain call...

C) They DO deal with the consequences, they just don't deal with them in a way that you deem acceptable. Do you know what that is called? That's called turrrrf sheeeet.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
I've stated my views in this thread often enough, and people know where I'm at.

Yep.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
I respect those who have differing oppinons and have enjoyed the discussions with:Vic von Doom, Makedde, Shaky, Cyber Ninja, Ushgarak, powerful one, and others.

Same here, barrels of fun.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
I hope that a little more life experience will help you AC. You will probably not care for it, but I will pray for you. (the Bible teaches me that when I pray for an enemy it just heeps hot coals on his head anyway 😄 )

Oh great, no wonder you're of the belief that you hold. It's all clear now.

"The good book says..." dude, get out of here with that religious force of opinion man. Everyone is born an atheist, you chose to become a christian, others didn't. Realise this.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
I'm off for the weekend, next sat. is my b-day (23!) and I'm headed to the Bay Area to see my family.

And attend the bridal shower of a young girl who is my age that is getting married as a virgin.

How "Archaic", huh?

Peace. 🤘

You keep saying that and each time you do it has as much relevence as the last time you said it: Zero.

Yes it is archaic, the idea of remaining a virgin until marriage is antiquated. I'm not saying it's wrong, if people wanna do that, fine (Said this many times) but it's archaic.

-AC

Whats most interesting is that the US has the most abortions of any "civilized" country out there 1,293,000 (2002, estimated) off this

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion

USA has more then many nations combined hmmmm interesting.

Well my point is AC is UK so I suggest that people in the USA pursue it here first🙂

Originally posted by soleran30
Whats most interesting is that the US has the most abortions of any "civilized" country out there 1,293,000 (2002, estimated) off this

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion

USA has more then many nations combined hmmmm interesting.

Well my point is AC is UK so I suggest that people in the USA pursue it here first🙂

Think about all the Mozart’s, Einstein’s, great leads and men and women of piece, that we are loosing every year. But then again, think about all the Hitler’s, Stalin’s, and evil men and women that we have gotten rid of. From my point of view, death is not a bad thing. I believe in reincarnation, so when I die, I come back. So these people will come back to us. But it is such a waist of life, and I think that the fetus suffers greatly. So, I could never be a part of that, but I also respect women, and want the best for them. Women are our future; they bear our children, so I will leave it to them, to decide. That is why I am pro-choice but not pro-abortion; they are not the same thing.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
Well I hate to be the bearer of bad news...., but there are a bunch of us. (young Christian men ages 18-25) and we are the next generation.

We will no longer tolerate when people commit attrocities(any people, that includes Christians who go against what they should stand for) like killing babies (soon to be proved alive from conception,... just wait) so that they can sleep around.

The modern Christian lifestyle is going to change in that there will be no more de-masculinization of the Christian male.

There have always been a lot of you. I have no problem with the existence of christians. There are times I would love nothing more than to march the whole bunch of you into gas chambers, but I'm certain that level headedness would prevail before I flipped the switch. But there will also come a time where you're made to keep your hateful opinions to yourself, AND OUT OF MY ****ING POLITICAL SYSTEM! You people think that you have the market on morality and values cornered. But, I know a hell of a lot of non-christians that display superior values to a lot of the christians I know. Well...I'm a christian.... seems to pour out of the mouths of people before they answer questions about damn near anything these days. As if that correlates with a superior value system.

You'll have to explain what de-masculinization means in this case, because I don't quite follow you on that one. Are you referring to christians keeping their opinions to themselves? Because they have NEVER been forced to remain silent while their rights are being taken away. However, the president that you elected is using you. Have you ever read the patriot act? Your beloved godparty is systematically taking away your rights, and you people sit there and cheer them on! It's one thing to have an opinion on abortion, or gays, or what color jesus' eyes are, but it's a totally different thing to sit there quietly while the freedoms we are trying to spread around the world are being taken away from us. Bush babbles about how "They hate us for our freedom" and then turns around and takes yours away.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
It's barely up for debate, it's not your decision. Until it's proven that life begins at conception (which won't happen), then you've got a grand total of zero proof.

Life DOES begin at conception, that cannot be disputed. When the sperm fertilises the egg, a new life is created, then grows for 9 months. Life does not begin when the baby is born, the baby has a heart beat, brain function and all organs work at just 8 weeks. If there is a heartbeat, there is life. Life begins at conception, but because that life isn't viable until a certain time has passed, you seem to think it isn't a life. If not a life, then what is it? You can't go for an ultrasound, hear your childs heartbeat, and think, 'It isn't a life'. If it isn't a life then you obviously are not pregnant.

Originally posted by Makedde
Life DOES begin at conception, that cannot be disputed. When the sperm fertilises the egg, a new life is created, then grows for 9 months. Life does not begin when the baby is born, the baby has a heart beat, brain function and all organs work at just 8 weeks. If there is a heartbeat, there is life. Life begins at conception, but because that life isn't viable until a certain time has passed, you seem to think it isn't a life. If not a life, then what is it? You can't go for an ultrasound, hear your childs heartbeat, and think, 'It isn't a life'. If it isn't a life then you obviously are not pregnant.

No sweetie, this isn't a fact and it will never be proven to be one.

I don't mean to be a heartbreaker, but that's just not a fact.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
No sweetie, this isn't a fact and it will never be proven to be one.

I don't mean to be a heartbreaker, but that's just not a fact.

-AC

You're the type who thinks life begins at birth, it doesn't, it begins 9 months before that. Accept it.

wait wait wait....

Explain to all of us the exact moment life begins.

In regards to my own opinion, life begins the moment it comes tearing its way into my life....

That being said, I would love to have a child. Not just any child, but my own child. A genetic extension of my existence. If my boyfriend has a sister, then that is excellent. However, I don't have a sister... At least not one I could ask such a favor of....

How about it Burl, want to be resonsible for more than just us?....

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
...Explain to all of us the exact moment life begins...

Life does not end at any point, but when does a new life begin. A new life would begin when a new set of DNA was in control of the cell.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Life does not end at any point, but when does a new life begin. A new life would begin when a new set of DNA was in control of the cell.

The unborn baby has different DNA to the mother, so that would mean that not only is it separate from the mother, it is also a life...

Originally posted by Makedde
The unborn baby has different DNA to the mother, so that would mean that not only is it separate from the mother, it is also a life...

It would also mean that it reached this stage while still only one cell.