Abortion

Originally posted by PVS
oh, so now the mother is relevant? by your logic the fetus is a separate life.
now all of the sudden it isnt. funny how perspectives change.

By my logic seperate life? I said it must have a chance to live. I said if woman is pragnant she must give birth so child would have a chance to live. Not to kill it before it's born.

Originally posted by PVS
the mother is the life and the fetus is the completely dependant pre-life, and thus an extention of her. once removed, the wittle bitty heart stops beating and those itty bitty teeny weeny hands no longer clasp. so personify the 'child' all you wish, but it is not one....yet [/B]

And when you say such things i get feeling that I'm talking to some crazy maniac that enjoys killing people...

Originally posted by Arachnoidfreak
What makes me better than them? Being a productive member of society that wants to help other living beings that are already here. That's SO SELFISH OF ME OMG I want food for everyone to survive starvation and Im selfish!? I want to help the starving children in Africa before bringing in more children, and I'm selfish? Im thinking that if the baby is born and can't eat it's goin to suffer, and IM SELFISH??

What the hell is wrong with you?

Originally posted by Sam Z
By my logic seperate life? I said it must have a chance to live. I said if woman is pragnant she must give birth so child would have a chance to live. Not to kill it before it's born.

that makes no sense.
how can you kill something that has not lived?
or are you switching your point back to "ZOMG ITS ALIVE!!!" again?

Originally posted by Sam Z
And when you say such things i get feeling that I'm talking to some crazy maniac that enjoys killing people...

and when i read that i get the feeling that i'm talking to some waek minded little person who needs to label others in a debate as such, in order to draw attention away from their apparent lack of any valid points.

nice job 👆

Originally posted by Arachnoidfreak
What makes me better than them? Being a productive member of society that wants to help other living beings that are already here. That's SO SELFISH OF ME OMG I want food for everyone to survive starvation and Im selfish!? I want to help the starving children in Africa before bringing in more children, and I'm selfish? Im thinking that if the baby is born and can't eat it's goin to suffer, and IM SELFISH??

What the hell is wrong with you?

LOL No, you are angel! Are you listening to yourself? You suggest to kill some people to feed other people.
Being a meber of society does not make you something more important than them.
By this logic if one year old kid is not helping other living beings he deserves to die. Seriously, that's your logic. You say that you are better coz you think you help others. But one year old kid does not help others, just like not born child does not help others. So what is the difference?? You choose to kill one child and leave another only because another is already a member of society?!

Originally posted by PVS
that makes no sense.
how can you kill something that has not lived?
or are you switching your point back to "ZOMG ITS ALIVE!!!" again?

Again your definition is LIFE is flawed.

You only identify life as accompanying the posession of an identity.

The FETUS is a living thing. Is it DEAD? No...so it ALIVE.

It is KILLING....

Is it MURDER ? No..not by legal defintion.

But Abortion is STILL killing something that is already alive.

How much VALUE you think that life is worth as its stage of development is also JUST your opinion.

Urizen, human life doesn't begin at conception. I've factually and scientifically proven this with diagrams and screen captures of definitions.

Originally posted by Sam Z
You can't just say "We don't know if this child is gonna achive anything in his life so he does not deserve to live".

Who said this is why we condone abortion? You're making that logic jump on your own.

-AC

NO, You're an idiot. I just said to HELP the one year old kid. Do you even read what I write?

The it doesn't matter if it's unborn, if it's UNWANTED you do not force it into this world to be abandoned. DO YOU UNDERSTSAND THAT?

WHY would you create more life if you can't handle what's already here?

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Again your definition is [B]LIFE is flawed.

You only identify life as accompanying the posession of an identity.

The FETUS is a living thing. Is it DEAD? No...so it ALIVE.

It is KILLING....

Is it MURDER ? No..not by legal defintion.

But Abortion is STILL killing something that is already alive.

How much VALUE you think that life is worth as its stage of development is also JUST your opinion. [/B]

Let me guess you never killed a mosquito...EVER....in your live...right?

You never....ever ate just one little bit of meat...also true?

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Again your definition is [B]LIFE is flawed.

You only identify life as accompanying the posession of an identity.

The FETUS is a living thing. Is it DEAD? No...so it ALIVE.

It is KILLING....

Is it MURDER ? No..not by legal defintion.

But Abortion is STILL killing something that is already alive.

How much VALUE you think that life is worth as its stage of development is also JUST your opinion. [/B]

my sperm are not dead, so they are alive.
so is masturbation murder...by your definition?

...i just want to see him capitalise "masturbation" and "sperm" for my own amusement....

Originally posted by PVS
that makes no sense.
how can you kill something that has not lived?
or are you switching your point back to "ZOMG ITS ALIVE!!!" again?

And what do you call life? Getting drunk, having sex and going to disco?
I'm not switching point. They are already alive then.

Originally posted by PVS
and when i read that i get the feeling that i'm talking to some waek minded little person who needs to label others in a debate as such, in order to draw attention away from their apparent lack of any valid points.

nice job 👆 [/B]

"the wittle bitty heart stops beating and those itty bitty teeny weeny hands no longer clasp" I still believe you are a maniac...

*waits*

Urizen, human life doesn't begin at conception. I've factually and scientifically proven this with diagrams and screen captures of definitions.

HUMAN life ? No....but life nonetheless. Which is why I encourage any woman who KNOWS she will get an abortion to get one EARLY as possible.

I said that after several weeks the life starts to become closer to what we identity as Human, and at this point the Abortion becomes more cruel.

Let me guess you never killed a mosquito...EVER....in your live...right?

You never....ever ate just one little bit of meat...also true?

Ofcourse I have. Both....o0o0o0o0o

But comparing a Child to a mosquito or a piece of meat, is in my opinion, absurd. Sorry bro.

Mosquitos do harm by spreading disease.

Meat is food...which some people NEED to eat to survive due to several physical conditions and diseases.

Abortion is simply killing a human fetus for your convienence.

my sperm are not dead, so they are alive.
so is masturbation murder...by your definition?

Sperm are not human. And Masturbation is normal.

A few weeks after the sperm and egg are fertilized, the simple life form that you call nothing more than a fetus becomes more and more "human" as time passes.

Originally posted by Arachnoidfreak
NO, You're an idiot. I just said to HELP the one year old kid. Do you even read what I write?

The it doesn't matter if it's unborn, if it's UNWANTED you do not force it into this world to be abandoned. DO YOU UNDERSTSAND THAT?

WHY would you create more life if you can't handle what's already here?

No, you just realised that you ARE an idiot and now just changing subject.
You said that you are better than them because you help other people. And you said that in respone on question "why should we kill them but not kill you?" And by your own idiotic logic it means we must kill everybody who does not help society as you do (including small children and old people) You are not only selfish but you also can't keep up with your own words.
Anyway, I have to go now. I'll read your worthless respone on this tomorrow, and for God's sake. Use "quote" button next time.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Let me guess you never killed a mosquito...EVER....in your live...right?

You never....ever ate just one little bit of meat...also true?

Ofcourse I have. Both....o0o0o0o0o

But comparing a Child to a mosquito or a piece of meat, is in my opinion, absurd. Sorry bro.

mosquitoes do harm by spreading disease.

Meat is food...which some people NEED to eat to survive due to several physical conditions and diseases.

Abortion is simply killing a human fetus for your convienence.

Oh I see..so you killed living things before...good..just making sure....so you don't sound as much a hypocrite as you are, you know.

It's not a child...it is a fetus....cool? Cool!

The fetus harms the mother....and severely disables her...more than mosquitoes ever....

We don't need it...we can live totally without it. So you eat it for convenience....hypocrite.

I said help the small children! What are you not understanding? Why would I want to kill them if Im telling you I want to help them?

I WANT TO HELP THE CHILDREN THAT ARE ALREADY ALIVE AND STRUGGLING.

Should I put that in bold for you too? How about Italics? Larger font? A different language?

My position has never changed, that's always been my point, since you first got in this thread. Help those who are here before worrying about what isn't born or even wanted.

I suppose you condone letting a woman give birth and then drop it off in a dumpster?

Originally posted by Sam Z
And what do you call life? Getting drunk, having sex and going to disco?
I'm not switching point. They are already alive then.

derp. you're funny 🤓
no, i call life everything that happens after you are born, and even while you are capable of sustaining your own bodily functionality outside the womb, however still unborn. i guess pesky logic just gets in the way, although i do enjoy reading the rants of an irrational child who's throwing a tantrum because he cant make a valid point. so its character assassination for the win:

Originally posted by Sam Z
"the wittle bitty heart stops beating and those itty bitty teeny weeny hands no longer clasp" I still believe you are a maniac...

fair enough. and i think you're an asshat with sand in his vagina.

wasnt that fun...expressing our irrelevant opinions of eachother? 🙂

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Yes she should. But it should be because she chose to do so, because she chose to take responsibility.

Not because you or i told her to.

So if im getting ready to shoot someone in the head and your standing right next to me. Do you stop me? Or let the other person die for my own selfish well-being? Since you do in fact think that abortion is murder.

He doesn't think that anymore because, despite my unwavering opinion of him, he's not AS ignorant or oblivious as you.

And if he does, then I'm clearly wrong about him.

Stop discussing abortion and murder, they're not connected.

-AC

Haha, you got LU to change his opinion.

I was only discussing it in those terms because as of last night he believed it was murder. Until you pounded it into his skull that it wasn't. Anyways...continue on with your little discussion kids and remember to play nice.

No, I didn't change his opinion. He previously held an opinion that had already been factually disproven, and he has now dropped the pursuit of it.

It was never murder, he believed it was, I proved it wasn't. End of argument.

You came in here and tried to get involved, only to be nudged out because you've got nothing or relevance or importance to say. That's not our fault, know your own limits.

-AC