Originally posted by Bardock42
Oh I see..so you killed living things before...good..just making sure....so you don't sound as much a hypocrite as you are, you know.It's not a child...it is a fetus....cool? Cool!
The fetus harms the mother....and severely disables her...more than mosquitoes ever....
We don't need it...we can live totally without it. So you eat it for convenience....hypocrite.
Dude...ur argument made NO sense.
Originally posted by Punker69
Yes, you did.I could carry on this little debate but theres already pro-choice and pro-life individuals replying. My involvement isn't neccessary.Besides, i'm already involved in a pointless debate in the religious forum, I dont need to get involved in another here.
Yes, because he was factually wrong.
Not too sure where you're getting lost.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
No, I didn't change his opinion. He previously held an opinion that had already been factually disproven, and he has now dropped the pursuit of it.It was never murder, he believed it was, I proved it wasn't. End of argument.
You came in here and tried to get involved, only to be nudged out because you've got nothing or relevance or importance to say. That's not our fault, know your own limits.
-AC
NO Punker, he did NOT change my opinion.
To me Abortion is murder..my definition of murder is the killing of a human being for one's selfish goals.
According to the LAW..murder is the killing of a CITIZEN for one's selfish goals.
By law's definition, it is not murder.
However, according to Nazi Germany, under Hitler's reign, the Extermination of the Jews was NOT murder. It was cleansing.
Same sh*t with Abortion. It ain't murder. It's killing for convienence. 🙄
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
NO Punker, he did NOT change my opinion.To me Abortion is murder..my definition of murder is the killing of a human being for one's selfish goals.
According to the LAW..murder is the killing of a CITIZEN for one's selfish goals.
By law's definition, it is not murder.
However, according to Nazi Germany, under Hitler's reign, the Extermination of the Jews was NOT murder. It was cleansing.
Same sh*t with Abortion. It ain't murder. It's killing for convienence. 🙄
Get it right, just for once, please.
Here's how it is: There is no "murder" outside of what the legal definition is, why? Because it's a purely legal term. There are many types of killing, and to determine fitting punishments for each, there had to be definitions and such for each type. Murder is the unlawful killing of a HUMAN BEING living independently of itself, with premeditate thought and intended malice.
This is the only definition of murder, factual murder. It's not applicable in any way, to abortion.
All it is, is as you said, killing for convenience. Frivolous, to you. Immoral, to you. Selfish, to you. None of these make it murder.
Please learn this. It is not murder in any way, shape or form.
-AC
Originally posted by Punker69
So you did change his opinion."getting lost" ?
If he still believes abortion is murder, then he is ignoring a blatant fact.
Yes, I'm not sure where you're getting confused in these posts, because everything has to be explained to you. Like the term "getting lost".
Maybe you should stick to debating faith and belief, science isn't your strong point.
-AC
Murder is the unlawful killing of a HUMAN BEING living independently of itself, with premeditate thought and intended malice.
So if two people get into a fight, and one ends up killing the other. Is it murder ?
They didn't intend to kill the other, just in the HEAT of battle one ends up killing the other.
There was no plan, the fight just happened out of no where.....
One didn't intend to KILL the other, it just happened.
So what is that ?
Also according to everything you are saying, Adolf Hitler IS NOT a Mass Murderer
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Originally posted by Alpha CentauriIf he didn't know that that was the case (Legal term) how many pages would he have to read in order to find out that it was?
Murder is only a legal term, and since that legal term states clearly that it is the [b]unlawful killing of a human being independent of itself with pre-meditated malice, it doesn't apply to abortion.This is a stone cold, hard fact. End of argument. This is exactly why the thread goes nowhere. As one person finally gets it, another oblivious fool crawls out of the woodwork.
-AC [/B]
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
If he still believes abortion is murder, then he is ignoring a blatant fact.Yes, I'm not sure where you're getting confused in these posts, because everything has to be explained to you. Like the term "getting lost".
Maybe you should stick to debating faith and belief, science isn't your strong point.
-AC
Well sparky still does believe Abortion is murder so you'd better get to work.
Who said I was getting confused?
I wasn't even debating scientifical. Please show me where I was.
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
So if two people get into a fight, and one ends up killing the other. Is it murder ?They didn't intend to kill the other, just in the HEAT of battle one ends up killing the other.
There was no plan, the fight just happened out of no where.....
One didn't intend to KILL the other, it just happened.
So what is that ?
Manslaughter, not murder.
Next week on "Things you should know my age 16; Where babies really come from."
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Also according to everything you are saying, Adolf Hitler IS NOT a Mass Murderer🤨
That doesn't change the fact that here, in this debate, you are trying to somehow hold up a belief of abortion being murder. If you want to continue doing so, do it.
Just be aware that you are wrong and ignoring a blatant and solid fact, proven many times over in this thread. You said yesterday that you don't ignore facts, but you are doing so.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Manslaughter, not murder.Next week on "Things you should know my age 16; Where babies really come from."
That doesn't change the fact that here, in this debate, you are trying to somehow hold up a belief of abortion being murder. If you want to continue doing so, do it.
Just be aware that you are wrong and ignoring a blatant and solid fact, proven many times over in this thread. You said yesterday that you don't ignore facts, but you are doing so.
-AC
Uphold ? No
I am not claiming it as fact, i dropped it already, you and Punker just brought it back up.
My opinion is still the same, but i am not using it as part of my arguments. I am only stating that my opinion has not changed.
Originally posted by Punker69
Well sparky still does believe Abortion is murder so you'd better get to work.Who said I was getting confused?
I wasn't even debating scientifical. Please show me where I was.
I don't have to get to work, he's wrong. No debate.
Second, I did.
Third, exactly. This is a scientific debate, where facts live. You prefer to rely on instinct and blind prejudice, so this isn't the best place for you. Either way, you will stay here. So don't act like you're going to leave.
-AC
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
My opinion is still the same, but i am not using it as part of my arguments. I am only stating that my opinion has not changed.
Your opinion on abortion being murder is integral to your beliefs, is it not? I'm not having a go, you and I essentially agree on abortion.
I'm just trying to show that this is why people need to realise abortion isn't murder, because a thread is just looped.
-AC