Abortion

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Your opinion on abortion being murder is integral to your beliefs, is it not? I'm not having a go, you and I essentially agree on abortion.

I'm just trying to show that this is why people need to realise abortion isn't murder, because a thread is just looped.

-AC

I already dropped it though.

Yes its my opinion, but i am not arguing it further. I have been calling it "killing for conveinence" instead, and arguing DISREGARING that personal opinion, because i UNDERSTAND that it is not convicing you or anyone else of anything.

Yes, on Abortion we agree that it is ULTAMATELY the woman's choice. I strongly beleive that if the mother is exposed to all options and ways of handing this, that she has every right to make her choice. EVEN if i feel it is the wrong one. 😉

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Second, I did.

Well if majority rules...

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Third, exactly. This is a scientific debate, where facts live. You prefer to rely on instinct and blind prejudice, so this isn't the best place for you. Either way, you will stay here. So don't act like you're going to leave.

-AC

Does leave include not visiting the thread or not replying?

I said me, not the majority.

Second, you said you were leaving, either do it or don't. Either way I don't care, but one or the other.

-AC

Like I said, does leaving mean not replying or not visiting the thread. If we you clarify this maybe I can come to a conclusion whether im leaving or not.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Third, exactly. This is a scientific debate, where facts live. You prefer to rely on instinct and blind prejudice, so this isn't the best place for you. Either way, you will stay here. So don't act like you're going to leave.

-AC

Since when is morality ever a scientific debate ?

Yes, science has a MAJOR hold on the definitions, terms, and facts here, as does social studies (LAW etc.) but in terms of morality, science has no say.

Go back, read what I said, then hopefully (and I'm not expecting much) you'll grasp what I said.

-AC

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
I have been calling it "killing for conveinence" instead...

Why else should the woman do it? For FUN??

Exactly, when did doing something for the convenience of yourself become a bad thing?

Naturally there are degrees to it, but come on. What is this? Let's be so selfish that we'll eventually become selfless?

-AC

Originally posted by Bardock42
It's not yet human....

Here:

the crime of unlawfully and unjustifiably killing another under circumstances defined by statute (as with premeditation); especially : such a crime committed purposely, knowingly, and recklessly with extreme indifference to human life or during the course of a serious felony (as robbery or rape)

A fetus is most certainly human. What do you think it is? A donkey, a mouse, or an elephant? Humans are incapable of producing anything BUT humans. Therefore, a fetus is very much a human. It just isn't a human BEING.

Originally posted by The Omega
Why else should the woman do it? For FUN??

That'd be worse.

But still....

killing

for

my

conveinence.

That sure as hell sounds immoral to me bro.

Originally posted by PrincessMary
A fetus is most certainly human. What do you think it is? A donkey, a mouse, or an elephant? Humans are incapable of producing anything BUT humans. Therefore, a fetus is very much a human. It just isn't a human BEING.

100000000000% true

Originally posted by PrincessMary
A fetus is most certainly human. What do you think it is? A donkey, a mouse, or an elephant? Humans are incapable of producing anything BUT humans. Therefore, a fetus is very much a human. It just isn't a human BEING.

I believe I said something similar a dozen pages back.

If aborting an unwanted fetus would save a number of people's lives from being completely twisted around or possibly ruined, I'd think it'd be justified.

Exactly.

Originally posted by Arachnoidfreak
I believe I said something similar a dozen pages back.

That I know, but some people just can't seem to get the fact through their thick skulls.

Originally posted by Arachnoidfreak
I said help the small children! What are you not understanding? Why would I want to kill them if Im telling you I want to help them?

I WANT TO HELP THE CHILDREN THAT ARE ALREADY ALIVE AND STRUGGLING.

Should I put that in bold for you too? How about Italics? Larger font? A different language?

My position has never changed, that's always been my point, since you first got in this thread. Help those who are here before worrying about what isn't born or even wanted.

I suppose you condone letting a woman give birth and then drop it off in a dumpster?

You do NOT want to help anybody. You pretend you are fighting for something good but reality is that you suggest to kill children to save children. So if they already "struggling" then they deserve tio live and if they are going to be born in a few month then no.
You can't see your own position here. You say you wanna help children but say that not yet born children do not deserve to have life like you and you are better than them ONLY because you "help society" but they don't. And that means anyone who is not helping society deserves death. That is YOUR logic don't pretend you forgot about your own words.
And that you just taking care of people's future is a bullcrap too.
World will not be overpopulated if we will allow all children be born, you know why? Because in many countries in the world people die more often that other get born. This is all balanced. So your "dumpster" point makes no sense too. I can give you dozens examples of orphans who were raised without parents or adopters and stll they lived successfull lifes. Ofcourse it is not 100% they will be successful but atleas they would HAVE a chanse.

Originally posted by PVS
derp. you're funny 🤓
no, i call life everything that happens after you are born, and even while you are capable of sustaining your own bodily functionality outside the womb, however still unborn. i guess pesky logic just gets in the way, although i do enjoy reading the rants of an irrational child who's throwing a tantrum because he cant make a valid point. so its character assassination for the win:

After you was born. By your "logic" it means child who was born a minute ago deserves to leave but child who is going to be born in a minute not because he didn't LIVED yet.👆
May be you would suggest to kill old people or people who are out of their mind too because they do not "live".

Originally posted by PVS
fair enough. and i think you're an asshat with sand in his vagina.

wasnt that fun...expressing our irrelevant opinions of eachother? 🙂 [/B]

No, fun is reading your hillarious theories about "life". Your parents should've killed you while you was "something that has not lived yet" and that woul be ok by your own "logic" since you did not lived yet.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I'm just trying to show that this is why people need to realise abortion isn't murder, because a thread is just looped.

I want to know what the **** is the problem with someone saying that their opinion is that abortion is murder? Why can't you say 'That's your opinion', and move on, instead of bringing up facts and law and whatnot?

So the law says abortion isn't murder because it is legal. So? Is the law FORCING me to believe what it believes? No. Do I have the right to my own beliefs about abortion? YES I do.

Anti smoking campaigners say that smoking causes lung cancer. You know it does, and I know it does. The law doesn't say that smoking causes lund cancer, so therefore, the fact that smoking can and does cause lung cancer isn't actually a fact at all, is it? So we must assume that smoking does NOt cause cancer, because if it did, the law would have stated that.

Originally posted by PrincessMary
I want to know what the **** is the problem with someone saying that their opinion is that abortion is murder? Why can't you say 'That's your opinion', and move on, instead of bringing up facts and law and whatnot?

So the law says abortion isn't murder because it is legal. So? Is the law FORCING me to believe what it believes? No. Do I have the right to my own beliefs about abortion? YES I do.

Anti smoking campaigners say that smoking causes lung cancer. You know it does, and I know it does. The law doesn't say that smoking causes lund cancer, so therefore, the fact that smoking can and does cause lung cancer isn't actually a fact at all, is it? So we must assume that smoking does NOt cause cancer, because if it did, the law would have stated that.

hell yes!
the people who do that are really mind numbing.

Originally posted by dave_kodak
hell yes!
the people who do that are really mind numbing.

Well, we know smoking causes lung cancer, but because the law hasn't said it does, must we disregard the facts for being non facts?