Originally posted by Tptmanno1
I say It doesen't matter,
Liek the old saying goes, "I may disagree with your opinion but I will fight to the death for your right to say it"
Who are you to tell a mother what she can and cannot do, its like gay marrage. Its simply your poinion, just because you don't agree with it doesn't mean the entire world has to side with you.
but this is about, what are view is. Do you side with abortion? 😐
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Tptmanno1
I say It doesen't matter,
Liek the old saying goes, "I may disagree with your opinion but I will fight to the death for your right to say it"
Who are you to tell a mother what she can and cannot do, its like gay marrage. Its simply your poinion, just because you don't agree with it doesn't mean the entire world has to side with you. [/QUOTE0]
Abortion is nothing like gay marriage. The difference with gay marriage whether it is right or wrong, is that it doesn't harm others. Abortion is harming the baby (or fetus for those who want to get technical). Who is it for a mother to say that she can kill a baby? Hell, you are acknowledging that she is a 'mother,' which even suggests that you consider the fetus a baby. People should be free to do what they choose as long as those choices don't inflict on the rights of others (like the constitution says). Same goes with abortion, because the choice is inflicting on the baby's right to live.
"One of the young ladies in my class believes that partial birth abortion is only ok if the mothers life is at risk, i bring up the question would you rather murder the baby or have the mother die naturally. she said it wouldnt be murder if you kill the baby in order to save the mother which is a terrible misconception."
The mothers life always must come first, this is how it is when she is actually giving birth, if something vital goes wrong and the mother is in danger of dying then it is the doctors main priority to make sure the mother lives, even if it means the death of the baby.
If the mother is indeed in danger of dying should she give birth, then abortion should definately be an answer and a possibility, period. Same goes for if the woman was raped, she should not be forced to go through something that may permaneantly damage her mentally and possibly drive her to suicide (thus ending the life of both the mother AND the would be child) just because some illogical people think they have the right to force her to do so.
The fact of the matter is this - Abortion will never just go away. Even if it is made illegal (something that is most definately never going to happen, because the government surely knows the consequences should ever be made illegal) it will always continue to take place. The only difference is that instead of it taking place in a safe, controled environment with a proffesional doctor who is trained to do it as safely and soundly as possible in order to ensure the mother safety, there would simply be "underground" illegal abortion clinics that would give abortions but with much greater risk of bodily trauma and with the profits going to other criminals rather then the government. Or women will just travel to another country where it is legal to get the procedure done. This is already going on in other countries where abortion is illegal.
It simply wouldn't make sense, it would only make more problems arise from the prcedure and cause more harm then good.
If abortion was made illegal, than people would know that they are doing something wrong (breaking the law) and then should be punished. I don't think people should be punished at this moment for abortions because they don't understand that it is morally wrong. Its like you don't come down too hard on a child if he does something wrong but doesn't understand that what he is doing is wrong. When people acknowledgely break the law on will, they should be punished. Therefore, if it is made illegal, we would start punishing people for what they already do, but now they would deserve it because they should knoew better.
BTW: Why do you think it is such a hard choice to have an abortion? Could it be that deep inside they know it is wrong?
don't think people should be punished at this moment for abortions because they don't understand that it is morally wrongnot everyone look at it as morally worng
Therefore, if it is made illegal, we would start punishing people for what they already do, but now they would deserve it because they should knoew better.Might be illegal in one country and legal in another.
Originally posted by Myth
If abortion was made illegal, than people would know that they are doing something wrong (breaking the law) and then should be punished. I don't think people should be punished at this moment for abortions because they don't understand that it is morally wrong. Its like you don't come down too hard on a child if he does something wrong but doesn't understand that what he is doing is wrong. When people acknowledgely break the law on will, they should be punished. Therefore, if it is made illegal, we would start punishing people for what they already do, but now they would deserve it because they should knoew better.BTW: Why do you think it is such a hard choice to have an abortion? Could it be that deep inside they know it is wrong?
It is hard to have an abortion because the ball of cells has the potential to be your child so if u didnt have a damned good reason to abort it most people wouldnt.
Originally posted by myaktrustsnoone
Abortion=Murder=Against the law=JailThats all i have to say, becase you choose to have sex then you should deal with the results.
83% of rape cases are because the girl led a guy on sexually, was under the influence, ect.
therefor rape is pretty much ruled out.
Originally posted by myaktrustsnoone
Abortion=Murder=Against the law=JailThats all i have to say, becase you choose to have sex then you should deal with the results.
83% of rape cases are because the girl led a guy on sexually, was under the influence, ect.
therefor rape is pretty much ruled out.
That is utter bullshit. Rape is when a man forces a woman to have sex against her will, leading a guy on is just an invalid excuse. Men think a woman is leading them on if they wear a short skirt or something. Rape is not ruled out just because you say so without giving any valid or sound reasoning to back up your nonsensical rambling.
Originally posted by BackFire
That is utter bullshit. Rape is when a man forces a woman to have sex against her will, leading a guy on is just an invalid excuse. Men think a woman is leading them on if they wear a short skirt or something. Rape is not ruled out just because you say so without giving any valid or sound reasoning to back up your nonsensical rambling.
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I agree totally BF. And I'd also like to know if any of those members who say rape is only caused by girls leading men on have ever actually been through it? 83% of cases? What the hell are you talking about? It's so f.ucking easy to comment from a spectators point of view, if we could whittle this thread down only to include those who have the (unfortunate) experience and those who are capable of making open minded comments we'd actually get somewhere. Jeez, some people make me feel so angry.
Geeeeh, there’s nothing like being out of “it” for a few days…
Zanthor> Well said! We each have our views and opinions on the matter. And no one should force their views on anyone else.
That is why it is important that abortion is absolutely free and legal. Those who’re against it can chose not to use this right, and those who’re for it CAN.
Hunchy> “The 14-year old girl should have been well protected or not have been doing it. She could give it up for adoption.”
Okay, let’s take it again.
People ARE having sex. Let’s agree on that part, okay? Nothing that you do or say will stop that from happening. Now, accidents DO happen. In some places of even countries like the US sex-ed is SO bad teenagers don’t even know HOW they get pregnant. So accidents WILL happen.
So, yes, the young people SHOULD be protecting themselves, but that requires AT least knowledge of HOW to do that. And “not have been doing it”… Well, we’ll just skip that now, having seen that people have sex. Period.
“She could give it up for adoption.”
Why? A woman’s body is not a breeding machine for child-less couples. Especially not in rich, resource-consuming parts of the world as Europe and the US. If adopted children are needed – go to poor countries.
A pregnancy is not a trifle matter on the body either. So saying “just give to adoption” is showing blatant disregard and ignorance in regards to the actual ordeal of pregnancy.
“Oh come on, as soon as babies are created...they are human beings...”
A baby is a BORN child. Go find a dictionary.
So… wait… are you calling a cluster of cells a human being???? And you think we must protect ALL human life no matter what? What do you do to help starving kids in the 3rd world?
” Human beings are more important.”
Why? Says who?
Darth> “Kids are kids, they do dumb things sometimes, and they deserve a second chance.”
Hear-hear!
Evy_O> I believe you. Even without links. And that’s simply because you present your case in a mature and sensible manner.
I find the fact that some scientists claim a foetus isn’t living VERY interesting. Can you perhaps give me more info on that? How do these scientists DEFINE life.
” I noticed a few people saying that aborting an unborn foetus is destroying human portential, and preventing fate, and saying things like "what if it was destined to be the next president??""
My response is: What if the mother was supposed to save the world, but had to quit because she had to change diapers and raise a kid?