Abortion

Originally posted by slayer
I believe it is extremely wrong, and feel great pity and sorrow for any women who requires one.

I really appreciate this comment; although slayer is not pro-choice, he/she is open-minded enough to feel empathy for any woman who finds herself in the unfortunate position of needing an abortion. I wish we were all capable of discussing things this maturely.

Wow. That may have been going a little far. Nice yerssot, nice. ❌ There are definitly better ways of putting it.

Though, I have to agree. The only way someone can know for sure to make the decision to abort a baby that was the consequence of rape, would be for the person to actually be raped. Look at it this way, rape is so severe a crime, that even convicted criminals in prison look down upon it. In fact, the rapists that go to prison usually get raped by other inmates as punishment. Even the lowest of the low have morals and standards.

Would you spend the rest of your life crying every time you looked at your child, because it brings back such a horrible memory?

Originally posted by Fiery Eyes
I already said it was HORRIBLE and to wish that on anyone makes you just as horrible. Talk about being a bigot!! We all have our opinions, does NOT make yours right!!! We all think we are right. I do think murder is murder and you wishing it on me does not change my feelings, did you think it would?? and if not, then why say it? 😉 What exactly did YOU think you would gain by saying that? What do you kind of person do you think that makes you?

I did also not want to change your feelings, but with it theoreticly happening to you, you would have a MUCH better understanding than your black-and-white approach of "murder is murder, abortion is murder", and then we aren't talking about when a foetus is considered alive, cause as it is stated before, at the start they are just a group of cells... like a plant. If you realise THAT and see the heavy emotionaly problems that come with it, I do think you will have a totally different view on these things.

And to your last questions, as said above it was ment so you would get a better vision besides your black-and-white approach, it does NOT under ANY circumstances mean that I do want to wish it upon you, mind you! I do not wish this upon ANYONE.

I NEVER said it would be easy, I think you need to read my post again!! It would be very devastating, horrible, nitemare i'm sure, do you think that having an abortion is more easy? You don't think you have regrets, nightmares, depression, ect with an abortion? You do, people can heal, either way from having an abortion, losing a loved one to rape. I just don't think murder is the answer for that healing process, I feel that it would bring on more depression, more nightmares, ect on top of the same feelings for being raped. So you have double the pain, in my opinion.
I do have a friend that had an abortion, it was NOT an easy choice for her, and it's always bothered her, but it is a choice SHE must live w/the rest of her life, she must deal with it the rest of her life, she must face the nightmares the rest of her life, the anxiety, depression, yes she will heal, but doesnt mean she doesn't think about it and that it doesn't haunt her.

Originally posted by Arachnoidfreak
Look at it this way, rape is so severe a crime, that even convicted criminals in prison look down upon it. In fact, the rapists that go to prison usually get raped by other inmates as punishment. Even the lowest of the low have morals and standards.

I agree that in order to make judgement it helps terrifically to actually have relevant experiences, but I'm not sure about the way you worded this comment. Surely if those inmates you mentioned had morals and standards they wouldn't be able to bring themselves to commit the act that they frowned upon in the first place? I understand it's seen as punishment, an eye for an eye etc. And certainly in that sort of establishment it does go overlooked, but I doubt you can allow the 'punishers' to be credited with ethics. It's just not the correct term, IMO 😬

there is something called post-abortial syndrome (or something similar) and it is really horrbile, of what i've heard 🙁

Originally posted by Fiery Eyes
I NEVER said it would be easy, I think you need to read my post again!! It would be very devastating, horrible, nitemare i'm sure, do you think that having an abortion is more easy? You don't think you have regrets, nightmares, depression, ect with an abortion? You do, people can heal, either way from having an abortion, losing a loved one to rape. I just don't think murder is the answer for that healing process, I feel that it would bring on more depression, more nightmares, ect on top of the same feelings for being raped. So you have double the pain, in my opinion.
I do have a friend that had an abortion, it was NOT an easy choice for her, and it's always bothered her, but it is a choice SHE must live w/the rest of her life, she must deal with it the rest of her life, she must face the nightmares the rest of her life, the anxiety, depression, yes she will heal, but doesnt mean she doesn't think about it and that it doesn't haunt her.

you still are talking about murder, but in order to BE murder it has to be on a living human being... and as said a lot of times, at the start a foetus is just a bunch of cells, is it still murder than? and if it is allowed by the government, it's also not murder.

Yerssot: JUST cuz I don't agree means I don't understand? LOL another words I must share your opinion, or I don't understand? Now who is seeing what black and white?? and you avoided my question: by you saying that about me, exactly what kind of person does that make you???? You are wayyyy donw on the totem pole, saying something like that cuz i share a difference of opinion.

Originally posted by yerssot
I never claimed that having an abortion is easy, and I will never claim it either, it is a heavy decision and is not to be taken lightly, that is for sure.

you still are talking about murder, but in order to BE murder it has to be on a living human being... and as said a lot of times, at the start a foetus is just a bunch of cells, is it still murder than? and if it is allowed by the government, it's also not murder.

Just cuz the government allows it does not mean it's not murder!! You may have thought YOU proved it's not murder, but to me you have not.

you happily ditched my point yet again huh ? you KEEP calling it murder when it is NOT (at least if your government has a law about it).

I'll answer your question so you can move on: a curious one

Originally posted by yerssot
I never claimed that having an abortion is easy, and I will never claim it either, it is a heavy decision and is not to be taken lightly, that is for sure.

you still are talking about murder, but in order to BE murder it has to be on a living human being... and as said a lot of times, at the start a foetus is just a bunch of cells, is it still murder than? and if it is allowed by the government, it's also not murder.

Exactly. It cannot be considered murder unless the fetus is able to live on its own and not be dependent on another (ie the mother) to life. Why do so many babies born premature die? Because they are unable to live on their own at that stage.

And in the US, 1st trimester abortion is legal, 2nd trimester abortion is up to the state's discretion, and 3rd trimester abortion is totally and completely illegal (assuming I'm remembering correctly what we learned about it in government class).

hmmm, silver, I gotta disagree with it though... what about a foetus of 8 months? that is dependent of another but can still survive; no?

When I said premature, I meant REALLY premature, like as in 3-5 months premie. I know that an 8 month old fetus can survive if born premie. I probably should have specified that 😬

gotcha dude *thumb up*
just didn't read it like that in your post

Originally posted by yerssot
you happily ditched my point yet again huh ? you KEEP calling it murder when it is NOT (at least if your government has a law about it).

I'll answer your question so you can move on: a curious one

Did NOT miss your point, AGAIN, I just don't agree with your point AGAIN, big difference there.

I ment the point of it being NOT a murder this time 😉

Originally posted by yerssot
I ment the point of it being NOT a murder this time 😉

I know what you meant, but I STILL disagree with you, which just cuz i disagree w/you does NOT mean i'm missing the point. I've already seen your point and seen what kind of person you really are, you've showed us all on here. No hard feelings though. 🙂 thats just you I.

stop it 😘

gotcha, just thought you would think it was the other subject 😄

EVEN tho I highly disagree with abortion, when my friend chose to get an abortion, I did not mistreat her in any way form or fashion, I helped her through it the best way I could. I did not WISH her to have nightmares, depression, I did not WISH Her to die, thats horrible of anyone to lower themself to that level. I was there for her as a friend. I would NOT wish, want or actualy shoot the doctor that performed abortions either, That is just as wrong as comitting the abortion in my book. Even though people on here wish me to be raped or resort to name calling, I still don't wish bad things to come to them, that is again jsut as wrong.