Abortion

I do suggest you re-read my posts carefully again FE... I do not want you get raped, I say that it should get you off the idea that it is murder and unacceptable...
with that "experience" would you still want to keep a baby that is the product of one of the filthiest crimes there is?? THAT is the point because you say (not actualy quotes, but this is how it strikes me as): "it's wrong to murder and abortion is murder no mather how you say it" and I very strongly disagree with it to the point where I can not believe people still have this view on things

Originally posted by Clovie
there is something called post-abortial syndrome (or something similar) and it is really horrbile, of what i've heard 🙁

welcome to my world!!

in this kinds of threads, certain ppl can say anything and pl just wont quote u, it's really funny, same happens in the homosexuality thread 😂

PS: i kinda agree with yerss, of course he's saying it theorically, he means, he wants u 2 feel the pressure of the situation 😉

( i do not know y i wrote that i still wont b quoted, even tho' now ppl cant say i go off topic)

well, I do have to sa A4E that my wording of it was rather poor

oh, but I think everyone here understood, that u didnt want FE to get raped, u just wanted him to know how it feels, before criticing abortion like that 😉

...I....I...got...quoted??? 😱

indeed

[QUOTE]Originally posted by yerssot
I'm sorry to put this very blunt and I wanna apolegise now already for hurting peoples (and those include yours too FE of course) feelings but I just HAVE to say this:

Spoiler:
If I had the power to wish someone got raped, I would use it to get you raped FE; not to destroy your life mind you! but so you can first hand feel how it is to get raped and what your burden is... and that you can feel the shame of being raped anytime you look at your expanding tummy where the product of a vile crime is growing inside of you!
I find it simply unacceptable that you say it can't be justified when rape is one of the most horrible things that someone can do!!

Again, I want to apolegise for any hurt feelings made by this post, but I felt this way was the only way to show the pain and depression that a rape can give [/QUOT
If I had the power to wish someone got raped, I would use it to get you raped FE
ummm YOU did say it.

Just cuz you disagree w/me is NOT just cause to wish evil on me. That does tell alot about the type of person you are

a bad wording as I admitted to A4E yes

Originally posted by Syren
I agree that in order to make judgement it helps terrifically to actually have relevant experiences, but I'm not sure about the way you worded this comment. Surely if those inmates you mentioned had morals and standards they wouldn't be able to bring themselves to commit the act that they frowned upon in the first place? I understand it's seen as punishment, an eye for an eye etc. And certainly in that sort of establishment it does go overlooked, but I doubt you can allow the 'punishers' to be credited with ethics. It's just not the correct term, IMO 😬

It's the correct term, just twisted and perverted(like the mind of a criminal). There is no other way to describe it. Have you ever actually spoken with a criminal? It's odd the way they see things. They can have the most stable sense of honor you ever encountered, but still do something seen by others as dishonorable. They may see something like killing someone inferior to them as honorable(it's sort of an animalistic thing, Alpha males and all that), while obviously, a normal citizen wouldn't.

Now, while most people wouldn't say a criminal had morals or standards, dealing out punishment for a crime is showing that you have exactly that. Regardless of their title. A prisoner, who has done something wrong in the eyes of the law, can still see his own view of what is right, and what is wrong. What I said was that rape is so severe that most prison inmate view it as wrong.

A murderer sees a rapist and thinks "that disgusting pig. how would he like getting raped? i think he should experience it"(of course, i'm paraphrasing. If i were to be literal, the censors would bleep out most of the words). Then the murderer goes and rapes the rapist. Eye for an eye, as you stated. The murderer, who doesn't find killing wrong, finds rape wrong, yet his justice system is twisted. In order to deal out the punishment, yes, he'd have to resort to doing the actual deed he finds wrong. Kind of like how the government puts murderers to death on death row. Does the government not have morals and standards?

Forgive me f I wasn't clear, it's one of those things that are hard to explain.

Originally posted by Arachnoidfreak
It's the correct term, just twisted and perverted(like the mind of a criminal). There is no other way to describe it. Have you ever actually spoken with a criminal? It's odd the way they see things. They can have the most stable sense of honor you ever encountered, but still do something seen by others as dishonorable. They may see something like killing someone inferior to them as honorable(it's sort of an animalistic thing, Alpha males and all that), while obviously, a normal citizen wouldn't.

Now, while most people wouldn't say a criminal had morals or standards, dealing out punishment for a crime is showing that you have exactly that. Regardless of their title. A prisoner, who has done something wrong in the eyes of the law, can still see his own view of what is right, and what is wrong. What I said was that rape is so severe that most prison inmate view it as wrong.

A murderer sees a rapist and thinks "that disgusting pig. how would he like getting raped? i think he should experience it"(of course, i'm paraphrasing. If i were to be literal, the censors would bleep out most of the words). Then the murderer goes and rapes the rapist. Eye for an eye, as you stated. The murderer, who doesn't find killing wrong, finds rape wrong, yet his justice system is twisted. In order to deal out the punishment, yes, he'd have to resort to doing the actual deed he finds wrong. Kind of like how the government puts murderers to death on death row. Does the government not have morals and standards?

Forgive me f I wasn't clear, it's one of those things that are hard to explain.

😄 Forgiven on that score, you more than made up for it with this wonderful explanation. I understand you perfectly now 😉

Originally posted by The Omega
Evy_O> Cool. I find the definition of “Living” interesting, not only in the context of this discussion – but also regarding the search of extraterristial life of course. 🙂

Originally posted by naybean
Thats being unrealistic - to ask people who dont want children to give up sex is asking the impossible. So why bring a child into this world when it is unwanted/hated and maybe mistreated before it has become a child.

First of all it is not killing a child when its still a ball of cells. Second of all because of anti discrimination laws in place this is only true for a very small minority of women.

No the formation of a ball of cells begins at conception as does the development of that ball of cells. yes it is living, but so is a plant. It does not have feelings or a personality so it is not a human being. I do agree with people who are unhappy about late abortions, but if they are necessary i'm not going to be the one to take away womens' rights.

So when does life begin then? You may say between the 1st stage and 2nd (or something to that extent depending on your view), but those stages are a gradual process. So it would have to be non human one second and human the next because there is no "in-between". Is there a point when just one more cell divides that it becomes human? Because that is the only way that theory would work.

"It does not have feelings or a personality so it is not a human being." Are people in comas not human beings?

1st part: So why kill because something is "unwanted/hated and maybe mistreated"?

To the person that said abortion is equivelant to picking a flower because they are both balls of cells... that is retarded. We are talking about humans (or potential humans in some views). Nothing to do with plant life. I don't care if you believe abortion is ok, that is just a stupid comparison and I shame anybody who agrees with your theory of abortion being the same as picking a flower.

"only true for a very small minority of women"
Small minority still means that there are cases of this. I wasn't saying that this is very common.

Some people hold humans in too high regard. Like you. People in comas DO feel. A group of cells=a group of cells. An undeveloped fetus is as human and alive as a flower. They are similar, and it's sad that you can't see that.

Why is human life held so sacredly over all other forms of life? Because we are the top of the food chain? Because some people believe in religion, and therefore think we are special? Humans are NOT special. We are animals, just like any other. We happen to be the most intelligent. That doesn't mean we should be more important than deer, lions, or yes, even flowers.

Your one of those types of people huh...we're just animals too man!...just big ones...the biggest...NO. There are larger animals than us...Elephants, etc...we are humans. We are far more intelligent than animals for one...I love animals, but would DEFINATELY kill an animal over a human being...or be nicer to an animal over a human being, but then there's people like you, ya know...after all, your just an animal.

What the hell? Where did you get "bigger" from? You're making shit up now. Yes, humans are just animals. Is there anything to prove anything different? No, contrary to popular belief.

Biggest/most intelligent...its an argument brought up by many people who think the same way you do. Is there anything to prove that we ARE animals. We are far more intelligent than any other animal...whereas all animals usually are close in how smart they are...with the exception of apes and dogs and cats...but none of them reach our level of intelligence...we govern over all the animals...

If you believe in God. We were created in the likeness of him, and then he created animals for us to govern over.

If you believe in Evolution, then you believe that we ARE animals and evolved from them.

And that's just the way it is. You think one way. I think the other.

"It does not have feelings or a personality so it is not a human being." Are people in comas not human beings?

yes they are, they also have feelings and a personality.

humans are animals, but they are the most evolved and u can be damn sure id choose a human over an animal.

That's good that you'd chose a human over an animal...It depends on how you define "animal". I mean in a sense we are all animals...or creatures...we are organisms...the same in THAT way. We all live on earth... But we are also humans and different in a lot of ways then animals....

Animal means:
"A multicellular organism of the kingdom Animalia, differing from plants in certain typical characteristics such as capacity for locomotion, nonphotosynthetic metabolism, pronounced response to stimuli, restricted growth, and fixed bodily structure."

"An animal organism other than a human, especially a mammal."

Whereas there is a different definition for humans We are defined seperately:

"A member of the genus Homo and especially of the species H. sapiens."

"Having or showing those positive aspects of nature and character regarded as distinguishing humans from other animals: an act of human kindness."

sorry, i meant something like a dog or a cat, any mammal or fish not including humans.

youd think id remember some of my biology classes.

Humans ARE mammals.

ALL animals are classified in different genus and families. Cats are felines, dogs are canines, humans are homo sapiens. What's your point?

If you didn't notice... Humans have a fixed bodily structure, capacity for locomotion, nonphotosynthetic metabolisms, pronounced response to stimuli, and restriced growth. Everything that, by your definition, defines an animal.

This is good for you: http://www.borg.com/~lubehawk/taxonmy.htm