"Why does a mother deserve more than the kid? A mother should not deserve the choice to eliminate the life inside of her. Why is the child's life less deserving of a chance?"
This is all a misunderstanding in the sense that you view it as a life when scientifically, factually and from a provable standpoint (which has been stated), it's not a life. So it's your ridiculous high value of literal life that is blinding you from the simple and obvious truth. That being that abortion isn't killing a life.
"Is people murdering other people my business? No. Should it still be stopped? Yes. Just because something should be stopped because it is wrong and support that it should be stopped"
Murder and Abortion really are two completely different things criminally, psychologically and factually. You are using Murder as your arguement when it's nothing of the sort. No human is being killed. Murder is killing someone, intentionally, while they are here and living. Abortion is stopping cells from becoming a human.
"Does not mean that I have to take responsibility for it. Otherwise everybody who says that crime in general is bad must go be vigilante heroes. Honestly, murder is bad and I'm assuming you agree, so why don't you go out and stop murderers if you are anti-murder? Thats right, not your responsibility."
No, if I had a magical power to go out and stop all the murders in the world, I wouldn't. Not because it isn't my responsibility, but because like you and Abortions, it's none of my business. Who am I to involve myself in a dispute between strangers, regardless of if it ends in Murder? The difference is, Murder is never gonna be stopped from happening. Abortion however, shouldn't be stopped from happening because it's not a bad thing. If you value life to the point where you'll ignore science saying that when cells are aborted it's not a baby nor a life, then your arguement is flawed.
-AC
FE> This is the third time I ask you: God has murdered live babies – he killed all the first-borns in Egypt. Is that okay?
So your FRIEND was conceived during rape. Ehrm, AND? It was the mother not your friend who got raped. What’s your freaking point?
You keep using your own emotional personal and private aunts and friends friends to back up your claims, when you and your friends and your world isn’t the entire planet! Man, the narrow-mindedness is bordering on the absurd.
Do you know what THAT logic fallacy is called?
You COMPLETELY lack the empathy and sympathy to understand, that not ALL women will want to endure the ordeal of carrying a child conceived during rape. How cold-hearted of you indeed.
But I don't expect anything better from you. Seeing as you'll not defend my opinion, whereas I will do it for you.
AC>” Stop using one perspective as a way to judge. You lack experience and therefore your standpoint is faulty.”
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Syren> ” I have a very close friend who told me he was conceived of rape, he's absolutely f*cked up about it. Good really does come of rape huh? You tell me exactly what good came of that.”
See Yerssots post? That one persons OWN perspective shouldn’t be used to generalize?
BF> Exactly.
Originally posted by finti
I see what you are aiming at FE, the unfortunate event that your friends mother got raped resulted in your friend being born.
Even though rape is one of the worst crimes the result of it "was good" in the sense that your friend was born. Must be a bitter sweet comfort for the mother to take pleasure in her daughter that was conceived under such horrible circumstances though. Must be weird, I have no idea how that must feel since I cant relate to the situation at all.
thank you thank, finally someone seen my point. Apparently OMEGA did not.
Omega: about the baby thing in Egypt, I didn't intentionally leave it out. I had so much other things on my mind typing and i was in a hurry. Anyways: I KNow that God, Hates Sin!! and he gives warnings before wrath comes. HE warned them to let his people Go, and Pharoha did not heed to Gods warnings.
I Know that He Gave his only begotton Son for us, So that we may be able to be Saved.
No, I don't agree w/killing innocent people, I don't understand everything in the OT, I do know that we are under GRACE now.
FE> “Apparently OMEGA did not.”
No, what IS your point. Why are you blah’ing about your friend being a WOOOONDERful person, when it was her MOTHER who was raped.
WHAT is the… point???
”HE warned them to let his people Go, and Pharoha did not heed to Gods warnings.”
Well, first God made SURE to harden the Pharaos heart. Then GOD killed all the first-borns of Egypt. You are – AGAIN – dodging my question.
What could the innocent babies have done to convince the Pharaoh to let Moses an co. leave? Hm?
Why didn't God the Almighty not simply TELEPORT Moses and co, out of Egypt? Hm?
He could have, God. But instead he chose to kill babies...
”I Know that He Gave his only begotton Son for us, So that we may be able to be Saved.
No, I don't agree w/killing innocent people, I don't understand everything in the OT, I do know that we are under GRACE now.”
Blah blah blah! More Bible-chanting, eh?
This is the fourth time I ask you: God has murdered live babies – he killed all the first-borns in Egypt. Is that okay?
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
"Why does a mother deserve more than the kid? A mother should not deserve the choice to eliminate the life inside of her. Why is the child's life less deserving of a chance?"This is all a misunderstanding in the sense that you view it as a life when scientifically, factually and from a provable standpoint (which has been stated), it's not a life. So it's your ridiculous high value of literal life that is blinding you from the simple and obvious truth. That being that abortion isn't killing a life.
"Is people murdering other people my business? No. Should it still be stopped? Yes. Just because something should be stopped because it is wrong and support that it should be stopped"
Murder and Abortion really are two completely different things criminally, psychologically and factually. You are using Murder as your arguement when it's nothing of the sort. No human is being killed. Murder is killing someone, intentionally, while they are here and living. Abortion is stopping cells from becoming a human.
"Does not mean that I have to take responsibility for it. Otherwise everybody who says that crime in general is bad must go be vigilante heroes. Honestly, murder is bad and I'm assuming you agree, so why don't you go out and stop murderers if you are anti-murder? Thats right, not your responsibility."
No, if I had a magical power to go out and stop all the murders in the world, I wouldn't. Not because it isn't my responsibility, but because like you and Abortions, it's none of my business. Who am I to involve myself in a dispute between strangers, regardless of if it ends in Murder? The difference is, Murder is never gonna be stopped from happening. Abortion however, shouldn't be stopped from happening because it's not a bad thing. If you value life to the point where you'll ignore science saying that when cells are aborted it's not a baby nor a life, then your arguement is flawed.
-AC
Proof? It hasn't been "proven" either way. Some say it is alive, some say it is not. You just chose to take the opinions of scientists on your side as proof. I think that the "proof" from the scientist saying they are living is more accurate. So in a way, it is more ethical from a moral stance to not do abortion 'just in case' it is life.'
With the 2nd quote, I wasn't directly calling abortion murder (which I do believe although not stating it there). What I was saying is that it wasn't my actions so it doesn't make me responsible.
Wow, you obviously do not want peace. You wouldn't stop murderers if you could magically make them stop? Why? Because killing is their choice? Sounds just like your argument for abortion. Won't stop death because it is none of your business.
OMEGA: you talk about me NOT understanding, I don't think you even try to see other points of views, mainly mine.
I did answer your question here is your question: God has murdered live babies – he killed all the first-borns in Egypt. Is that okay?
MY answer is on this page, how you CAN'T see that is beyond me. No, I don't agree w/killing innocent people, I don't understand everything in the OT, I do know that we are under GRACE now.
OMEGA:No, what IS your point. Why are you blah’ing about your friend being a WOOOONDERful person, when it was her MOTHER who was raped.
WHAT is the… point??? DID YOU NOT read finti's reply??? THE Point is, she didn't abort her, and she turned out great, despite the fact that her mother could have aborted but DID NOT, she chose to give her up for adoption.
I'm sure her mother did go thru depression, anxiety, nitemares, ect, AS I Have already said, if you had read my replys, BUT with or w/o an abortion, I would imagine a woman that has been raped would go thru that, and I think having an abortion would double all of that on you.
all of that is In my replys, which I don't think you read, i think you just like to accuse.
Originally posted by Myth
If it were made illegal, it would drastically reduce the amount of abortions. Some people will continue to do it despite knowing what they are doing is wrong. They would then be considered criminals. Do I really care about the safety of criminals? No.
Yeah, that's the last thing this country needs, more stupid crimes that can send innocent people to jail. I am so glad people like you have no say in this countries laws, this country would be an awful place if you, or people like you (fascists) were in charge.
Again, even if it were illegal, they could still go to another country and get it done legaly if they weren't going to go to an underground criminal abortion clinic, rather then a government run one, where the money would at least go to our government, and not a criminal, or another country. By making it illegal all you would be doing is promoting more crime, and less money going to our government. Doesn't make sense to outlaw it since anyone who wants one would be able to get it done legaly.
Again, even if it were illegal, they could still go to another country and get it done legaly if they weren't going to go to an underground criminal abortion clinic, rather then a government run one, where the money would at least go to our government, and not a criminal, or another country. By making it illegal all you would be doing is promoting more crime, and less money going to our government. Doesn't make sense to outlaw it since anyone who wants one would be able to get it done legaly.
thats what its like in ireland, girls go to england to have it done. and it being illegal might reduce it, but teenage pregnancy would increase exponentially, like it has here. i read ireland has the highest percentage of teenage pregnancy in europe. what does that tell you?
Originally posted by Myth
To me, abortion already is a crime (morally, although not legally)
Putting a ban wouldn't eliminate abortion, although it would drastically reduce it.
Therefore, there would be less crime.
How many times must I repeat myself. It WILL NOT reduce shit. It will only move it into underground abortion clinics, where the profit would go to criminals, or to other countries, where the profit would go to, well, other countries, rather then our own. If a woman really wants an abortion, she's going to get one, regaurldess of what you think. Abortions will still happen, just as frequently.
If anything, there would be MORE crime because a woman getting an abortion would be labeled a criminal, and also the profits from said abortion would be going to other criminals, funding their criminal activities.
One last time, incase the simple facts haven't sunk in yet (they are facts, because in other coutnries where abortion IS illegal these exact problems are occuring), crime would increase, and abortions would not decrease, they would simply occur elsewhere, or illegally and provide funding for criminals. Keeping it legal, so the profit at least goes to our government, is the smartest way to go about it. Luckily, people in the government aren't stupid enough to even consider outlawing abortion anywhere, so fortunately you will never get the nonsense law you desire.
I agree w/myth about the Increase sex education. Just because there is a lot of pregnancies among teens, doesn't mean we should kill the child inside them.
I don't think anyone shld make a profit out of killing an innocent baby. Making it legal, in my opinion, only makes it easier for more people to go get it done. If it was illegal less people would have it done cuz it would be harder to get one done. I do see your point finti, however, I just don't can't find any reason for ME to justify abortion.