Abortion

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Why is that even relevant? She lost a baby she wanted, so she's upset.

So what? How does that add anything at all to this debate? Or were you planning to try to win the sympathy vote of child worship? Desperation tactics not appreciated and certainly not relevant. Besides, we have no proof any of that actually happened. Best not bring up irrelevant bs next time.

"Time to recover." pfft. You got proven bang wrong and what you need to be doing is admitting your hypocritical stance on the issue, but you won't do that.

-AC

no, it is fact that you are a hypocrite regarding this issue. that is not an opinion. you have proven to be factually contradictory in your idea of 'freedom'. whether or not you admit that may be important to AC and others, but you dont have to admit it to me, as i know what a cruel and sad joke your position is: "im exercising my freedom to take yours away"

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
just sharing an akward moment i had earlier. if you dont like it, dont read it.
and yes, i am at work now, and i have no time to quote copy paste responses. as far as proven "bang wrong", never happened. my stance might be wrong, i'll admit that, but it's my stance and i am entitled to it. no one is right 100% of the time. but then again, i might be right on the money. all you have offered me is your OPINION as to why you think my stance is wrong, nothing more, so get off "you are wrong!!!"

Actually, your STANCE isn't wrong. Being pro-life isn't "wrong". What's "wrong" is you saying you'd never force your beliefs on others and you would, that's the one thing that's been proven and you won't admit it.

I have given you many reasons why I feel your opinion on the issue is wrong, but it's all subjective, personal beliefs. You aren't actually wrong or RIGHT, nobody is, though the debate will forever weigh on our side, because we're not forcing anyone to do or not do anything based on our personal beliefs, we're all for doing whatever they want.

My only issue with your debate is that you won't admit that to "stick to" your guns, you would HAVE to oppress and force your beliefs on others, and you've said you'd vote to ban it, so you need to admit that. Stop going around saying how you wouldn't, and admit you would. Cos we've all proven it, and so have you.

-AC

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
just sharing an akward moment i had earlier. if you dont like it, dont read it.
and yes, i am at work now, and i have no time to quote copy paste responses. as far as proven "bang wrong", never happened. my stance might be wrong, i'll admit that, but it's my stance and i am entitled to it. no one is right 100% of the time. but then again, i might be right on the money. all you have offered me is your OPINION as to why you think my stance is wrong, nothing more, so get off "you are wrong!!!"

You were wrong when you said that the view of pro choice was forcing an opinion on others. The fact that it's choice means they have a variety of options, there's no forcing involved. Taking the pro life stance means taking away those choices. You were wrong and are wrong.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Actually, your STANCE isn't wrong. Being pro-life isn't "wrong". What's "wrong" is you saying you'd never force your beliefs on others and you would, that's the one thing that's been proven and you won't admit it.

I have given you many reasons why I feel your opinion on the issue is wrong, but it's all subjective, personal beliefs. You aren't actually wrong or RIGHT, nobody is, though the debate will forever weigh on our side, because we're not forcing anyone to do or not do anything based on our personal beliefs, we're all for doing whatever they want.

My only issue with your debate is that you won't admit that to "stick to" your guns, you would HAVE to oppress and force your beliefs on others, and you've said you'd vote to ban it, so you need to admit that. Stop going around saying how you wouldn't, and admit you would. Cos we've all proven it, and so have you.

-AC

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I feel you on the subjective personal beliefs. We all have beliefs instilled in us as we grow up. This is where my belief in christianity comes from. well, this and some real life experiences. Abortion? we never talked about it growing up, so that stance I came to on my own accord. It might be wrong, but it's my stance. and you never know, in the heat of the moment I could do a 180 and be a prochoicer.

I like the Fred Astaire impression, but if you could stop dancing around the issue and admit that you were a hypocrite to say you'd never force personal beliefs on others, BUT, you'd ban abortion, we can move on.

-AC

Originally posted by chillmeistergen
You were wrong when you said that the view of pro choice was forcing an opinion on others. The fact that it's choice means they have a variety of options, there's no forcing involved. Taking the pro life stance means taking away those choices. You were wrong and are wrong.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
As I said, I might be wrong, but I am not going to change my view on this just because a guy on an internet forum says so.

translation: "i wont see the simple truth of my hypocrisy...out of spite, because some guy on the internet whom i dislike said it."

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I like the Fred Astaire impression, but if you could stop dancing around the issue and admit that you were a hypocrite to say you'd never force personal beliefs on others, BUT, you'd ban abortion, we can move on.

-AC

What's this "Might"? You are factually wrong about what the point and aim of pro-choice is. We're explaining to you what the point of the stance's existence is, and you won't admit you're wrong.

It's not ALL opinion, some things are fact, and if you won't admit where you've gone wrong, you have no place in a debate.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
you see, that's the thing. I do not believe I am a hypocrite. Yes, if forced to do so, I'd vote against abortion. But I do not see that as imposing my will, I see it as exercising my right to vote. And you do know this "vote" will never happen, so why are we even talking about it?

You are exercising a right to vote, you are voting AGAINST abortion based on PERSONAL SUBJECTIVE BELIEFS, which would then apply to everybody, even those who do not share your beliefs.

That, as a FACT, is forcing your beliefs. You do not like the idea of being that kind of person, so you want to dance on both sides of the fence, and that's not how it goes. You are a hypocrite, fact.

-AC

Originally posted by Schecter
translation: i wont see the simple truth out of spite, because some guy on the internet whom i dislike said it.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
So you think I am doing this out of spite? You are indeed a clueless individual. You seem to think you know me personally.

yes, i think you are spitefully ignorant. i think so for your benefit, since if your ignorance is unintentional, you have some sort of terrible lapse in brain function, disabling even the simplest deductive reasoning.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
What's this "Might"? You are factually wrong about what the point and aim of pro-choice is. We're explaining to you what the point of the stance's existence is, and you won't admit you're wrong.

It's not ALL opinion, some things are fact, and if you won't admit where you've gone wrong, you have no place in a debate.

-AC

Originally posted by Schecter
yes, i think you are spitefully ignorant. i think so for your benefit, since if your ignorance is unintentional, you have some sort of terrible lapse in brain function, disabling even the simplest deductive reasoning.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Nice. feel better now? or are there more insults to come?

oh great, the patented starhawk copout. do you have to mail him a royalties check now?

Originally posted by Schecter
oh great, the patented starhawk copout. do you have to mail him a royalties check now?

any more?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Again, I do not think I am wrong. I do not think you are wrong. I do not think schecter or Bardock are wrong. I think we all have personal opinions and that others should respect our right to have them. Ask me why I think abortion is wrong, ask me why I feel as if I am not forcing my will, but don't come at me with "you are wrong, end of story." That's not debating, THAT'S forcing your beliefs on others.

But we are PROVING YOU WRONG, RJ. You said something about pro-choice stance, and us pro-choicers proved that you had an incorrect perception of what our stance is. So to say "I don't believe I got it wrong." is ignorant. You did, and we're showing you how, because we hold that stance.

Secondly, you ARE being a hypocrite. EVERYBODY here respects your right to be pro-life, YOU do not respect a woman's right to an abortion. You're being a raving hypocrite. If her personal beliefs do not see anything wrong with it, and yours do, then by your own rationale you should accept that you two disagree, but accept that she has a right to it. You won't. You'd force your personal beliefs on her by voting to ban that which she has a right to.

We're not forcing beliefs, we are proving you wrong and you're being an idiot and ignoring it.

You personally believe abortion is wrong for many reasons. Agree or disagree, I respect your right to the OPINION, not to remove other people's rights. Why do you feel you have the right to stop someone doing something just because you dislike it, then say "I'd never force my beliefs."?

-AC

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
no, I spend all of my money on beer and ps2 games.

any more?

i may as well, since you intentionally overlooked my brief yet to-the-point posts. so i figure may as well drop gears:

poopyhead

There's RJ's escape rope, let's see if he takes it.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
But we are PROVING YOU WRONG, RJ. You said something about pro-choice stance, and us pro-choicers proved that you had an incorrect perception of what our stance is. So to say "I don't believe I got it wrong." is ignorant. You did, and we're showing you how, because we hold that stance.

Secondly, you ARE being a hypocrite. EVERYBODY here respects your right to be pro-life, YOU do not respect a woman's right to an abortion. You're being a raving hypocrite. If her personal beliefs do not see anything wrong with it, and yours do, then by your own rationale you should accept that you two disagree, but accept that she has a right to it. You won't. You'd force your personal beliefs on her by voting to ban that which she has a right to.

We're not forcing beliefs, we are proving you wrong and you're being an idiot and ignoring it.

-AC