Abortion

To quote Doug Stanhope:

"This country comes down to old ****s' vote. They have nothing better to do than sit around, judge you and vote. They don't have shit to do like we do. Baby boomers are going to die in droves soon enough, and despite a lot of them being our parents, it's a good thing, because they're bitter. They think everything was better in their day, less drugs, less abortion etc. No, it's because youth is good, not the times. Youth is gone and now you're f*cked and on your way out. At least accept that we have new shit that you need to accept the existence of.".

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
point taken. This is why I would not vote on it. thin ice, know what I mean?

So wait, if you don't like the idea of it not being a "free" principle, why on Earth would you even vote pro-life even if you were forced? Why not just keep your personal pro-life views, accept that WE accept your opinion, but also accept that women have the right to abortions, and vote pro-choice? You can be pro-choice and still against the idea of abortions.

I don't like people choosing to go see Britney in concert over great bands, but if I had to vote, I'd vote to protect their choice.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri

So wait, if you don't like the idea of it not being a "free" principle, why on Earth would you even vote pro-life even if you were forced? Why not just keep your personal pro-life views, accept that WE accept your opinion, but also accept that women have the right to abortions, and vote pro-choice?

You can be pro-choice and still against the idea of abortions.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
because if I were "forced" to vote, I am prolife, not prochoice. simple as that. I would go with what I believe is right. I would not view it as forcing my views on others, I would view it as "oh well, I have to vote, so I might as well vote for what I think is right."

But it IS forcing your beliefs on others, RJ. It's voting to pass an all applicable law based on personal beliefs, which all of them are, to some extent, but I'm asking you for admittance on that.

You would have to force your beliefs.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
so if I am of then opinion that abortions should be allowed only under extreme circumstances (ie: the mother might lose her life at birth) does that, in your opinion, make me prolife or prochoice?

It makes you pro-life. Although, oddly, I consider the life of a human already grown, here and living to be more valuable than that of a foetus, not independent, and not of any real "life" in the way the woman has.

If you're pro-life, take care of the people already here first.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
But it IS forcing your beliefs on others, RJ. It's voting to pass an all applicable law based on personal beliefs, which all of them are, to some extent, but I'm asking you for admittance on that.

You would have to force your beliefs.

It makes you pro-life. Although, oddly, I consider the life of a human already grown, here and living to be more valuable than that of a foetus, not independent, and not of any real "life" in the way the woman has.

If you're pro-life, take care of the people already here first.

-AC

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
well, no matter what I say, you are going to keep going back to me forcing my beliefs on others. Guess I have to deal with that.

Why do you keep acting like, in that event, you wouldn't be? No matter how much it's proven, you deny it.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
and what about future generations?

What about them? You think that we'll die out because of abortions or something? Get realistic. There's more people alive right now than have ever died, allegedly. How do you think abortion is affecting that? It's not.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Why do you keep acting like, in that event, you wouldn't be? No matter how much it's proven, you deny it.

What about them? You think that we'll die out because of abortions or something? Get realistic. There's more people alive right now than have ever died, allegedly. How do you think abortion is affecting that? It's not.

-AC

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Because I do noit believe I am doing so.

reality....out of sight, out of mind.

Originally posted by Schecter
reality....out of sight, out of mind.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Because I do noit believe I am doing so.

Not right now, if you banned abortion, or VOTED to ban it, you would be.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Maybe it had an effect, maybe not. not the point.

No, it is the point. Stop posting for the sake of it if you have nothing left.

If the world is massively overpopulated with more people alive than have EVER died, abortion is clearly not a threat. Unless you are genuinely maintaining the idea that abortion could...threaten the future of our species.

In which case I will laugh hard.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Not right now, if you banned abortion, or VOTED to ban it, you would be.

No, it is the point. Stop posting for the sake of it if you have nothing left.

If the world is massively overpopulated with more people alive than have EVER died, abortion is clearly not a threat. Unless you are genuinely maintaining the idea that abortion could...threaten the future of our species.

In which case I will laugh hard.

-AC

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
if I were a skinhead, and a law was passed outlawing skinheads, would this be someone elses will being forced upon me?

Skinhead as in, literally having a bald head? Or the racist kind?

In the racist sense, it's necessary, because those guys are out to infringe massively upon the rights of others, hatemongering and using violence.

Still no admission out of you.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
never said our species would be threatened with extinction by abortion. but I bet you'd just love it if I said that, right?

It wouldn't surprise me with the amount of bs that you spew.

You asked "What about future generations?". What about them? There will always be future generations, abortion won't stop that.

-AC

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
if I were a skinhead, and a law was passed outlawing skinheads, would this be someone elses will being forced upon me?

Try and at least relate your example in some way, any way to the topic at hand. That has nothing to do with this topic and is a ridiculous example.

Originally posted by Robtard
If RogueJedi see's an abortion as being equal to killing/ending of a "life", how can you expect him to be okay with "a woman's right to an abortion"?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I respect a womans right to have an abortion, but that does not mean I condone it. Just because I respect her right to have an abortion doesn't mean I can't think abortion is wrong. I respect a person's right to worship satan. Is it wrong? In my opinion, yes, it is wrong.
you can respect someone's right to do something, but still think that something is wrong.

The original question was:
"If there is a vote whether abortion should be banned or not. What would you vote?"
Your response was:
"yes, i would vote to ban abortion. you know full well my views on this, so why ask?"

Despite having claiming adamance in your resolve, you now state you wouldn't vote, after pressure has been applied. Which adds another layer to the hypocrisy of stating that you wouldn't try to impose your beliefs on others and then stating that you would try to impose your beliefs on others in the form of a ban on abortion because you do not agree with it. "Be a man." Hold your belief, and hold fast to the original statement that you'd vote for a ban based on it. But don't deny that you wouldn't be forcing your beliefs on others, because that's utter bullshit.

Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
You seek to circumscribe the dessert consumption of others?

Fascist.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Skinhead as in, literally having a bald head? Or the racist kind?

In the racist sense, it's necessary, because those guys are out to infringe massively upon the rights of others, hatemongering and using violence.

Still no admission out of you.

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Originally posted by chillmeistergen
Try and at least relate your example in some way, any way to the topic at hand. That has nothing to do with this topic and is a ridiculous example.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
How many times do I have to tell you that IF I were forced to vote, it'd be pro life?

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Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
no more ridiculous than the "voting" scenario.

Do I really have to point out that the voting scenario, has something to do with abortion?

Originally posted by Whisper
So what if Jesus had been aborted? Or JFK? Or the guy who invented penicillin?

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
It's not about whether or not he's okay with it. It's about him accepting that he is someone who would impose his beliefs on others, despite that he would. Something he refuses to admit to and keeps evading.

The original question was:
"If there is a vote whether abortion should be banned or not. What would you vote?"
Your response was:
"yes, i would vote to ban abortion. you know full well my views on this, so why ask?"

Despite having claiming adamance in your resolve, you now state you wouldn't vote, after pressure has been applied. Which adds another layer to the hypocrisy of stating that you wouldn't try to impose your beliefs on others and then stating that you would try to impose your beliefs on others in the form of a ban on abortion because you do not agree with it. "Be a man." Hold your belief, and hold fast to the original statement that you'd vote for a ban based on it. But don't deny that you wouldn't be forcing your beliefs on others, because that's utter bullshit.
Mmmm... Mussollini.

Originally posted by chillmeistergen
Do I really have to point out that the voting scenario, has something to do with abortion?