Abortion

Originally posted by ADarksideJedi
So you are saying that if one of your friends or someone you know what's an abortion you are going to let her kill a baby and be able to live with yourself knowing that you did nothing to help another human being?
I could be wrong but that sounds selfish to me.jm

killing babies is wrong unless you eat them because meat should not go to waste.pvs💃

Whatever you say.jm

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Do you still believe this is somehow not forcing your beliefs on people? You would support abortion being made illegal, she loses the right to choose, all because you don't like abortion. Explain to me right now how you believe that ISN'T forcing beliefs. Go on.

I'm not quite sure how it's forcing beliefs. The legislature may be based on certain beleifs but aren't all laws? And just because we have to follow them doesn't mean we necessarily espouse the beliefs which may have given rise to certain laws.

And if you look at the notes of Andrew Blackmun who was a justice when Roe v Wade came to the supreme court in 1973 you'll notice he writes that when he decided where life "begins" he said the point he chose was arbitrary and would be just as arbitrary if it were at quickening or at viability.

Originally posted by ADarksideJedi
Whatever you say.jm

i want to be on your sig list.

You have to earn it first PVS!JM

i have earned it jm!pvs

Show me!jm

if you dont put me on that list, im going to make my OWN list and put EVERYONE on it EXCEPT FOR YOU!!!pvs

Go ahead!Got to go!jm

NO!!!! you're not going anywhere. im not through with you!pvs

Originally posted by ADarksideJedi
You have to earn it first PVS!JM

Would a "rimjob" be sufficient payment?

drool

Originally posted by Schecter
drool

Your hole is hairy and has a nut-sack for a neighbor; that ain't Robtard's bag.

no, i would happily accept a rimming from jm. whatever gets me on that list

Originally posted by chillmeistergen
This one post proves idiocy inexplicable through words of my own.

Do you really think if pro life won that would be the end of it, people would just accept it and move on? It's taking away a choice, because a group of people don't like the idea of it. That is them forcing their opinion on others. Pro choice is not taking away anything, it's saying both groups of people are entitled to their beliefs and putting faith in their personal judgment. This is not forcing opinion.

So now that I think about it, I guess if I voted I would be forcing a way of life upon others, as would you if the prochoicers won in the end. This is why I would not vote on it.

You got to know when to hold 'em, know when to fold 'em.

Or, expeditiously arrive at the conclusion that lengthy factual diatribe will have a similar outcome to a terse insult; though lacking the latter's satisfaction quota.

Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
You got to know when to hold 'em, know when to fold 'em.

Or, expeditiously arrive at the conclusion that lengthy factual diatribe will have a similar outcome to a terse insult; though lacking the latter's satisfaction quota.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I was just stating how I would react if I were FORCED to vote and the side I voted for lost.
It's not forcing opinion? your opinion is that prochoice is the preferred option over prolife, and that you would vote on it. You would be expressing your opinion. And, when and if the prochoicers won the vote, you would be forcing your prochoice opinion on the prolifers. If you are going to continue to ask me to admit that by voting prolife I am forcing my views on others, it's only fair that you do the same.

Are you challenged? Do you HONESTLY not grasp the explanations of the pro-choice side given to you? Or are you ignoring them?

Pro-choicers are not forcing opinions on pro-lifers. Pro-lifers won't want abortions, will they? No. So why do you need to ban abortion then? Would you vote to ban all the programmes you don't like, but never watch? Of course you wouldn't.

We're not trying to make pro-lifers have abortions. I'd protect their right NOT to want one if I had to. The point of the pro-choice argument, and its difference to the pro-life argument, is as follows, please pay attention this time:

Voting to ban abortion, due to being pro-life, is forcing your beliefs. How? Because you are attempting to REMOVE a choice, a right to choose one of two options, because YOU dislike it.

Voting pro-choice is voting for nothing more than the woman's right to keep the second option. We're not trying to force women to do or NOT do anything, you are. We're trying to secure the second option; whether or not a woman uses it is up to her. Pro-lifers will not, and that's fine, even some non-pro-lifers might not want abortion, but the point of pro-choice is to make sure it's there IN CASE she wants it.

We are not taking away anything, nor are we imposing anything. We're not removing pro-lifers rights, you still have the right to dislike abortion, and abortion being legal will not stop pro-lifers doing things THEIR way (I.e; keeping the child.). The point is, there needs to be two options, so the woman can choose.

You are proposing that we are forcing our beliefs on men like you who are pro-life, just by disagreeing with your stance, which is the very peak of retardation. WHAT are we forcing pro-lifers to do, RJ? You tell me how, by voting for a woman to have an additional choice, we are forcing our beliefs on you.

Abortions will happen, legally or not. If you're so pro-life, you would want them to be acted out safely, rather than a foetus being killed, and a fully grown human woman abusing herself in dangerous ways to get the job done, but you don't, because you're not necessarily pro-life, are you? You're pro-foetus/pro-child.

You protect the foetuses "rights", but when that foetus becomes a child, then a grown female, who may want an abortion herself, you would oppress the very former-foetus who's rights you fought so hard for.

I noticed you said "Now I think about it...". Yes, maybe you should imploy this "thinking" more often. Perhaps and preferably before you're 80 posts into an argument where everyone is taking you apart.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Are you challenged? Do you HONESTLY not grasp the explanations of the pro-choice side given to you? Or are you ignoring them?

Pro-choicers are not forcing opinions on pro-lifers. Pro-lifers won't want abortions, will they? No. So why do you need to ban abortion then? We're not trying to make pro-lifers have abortions. I'd protect their right NOT to want one if I had to. The point of the pro-choice argument, and its difference to the pro-life argument, is as follows, please pay attention this time:

Voting to ban abortion, due to being pro-life, is forcing your beliefs. How? Because you are attempting to REMOVE a choice, a right to choose one of two options, because YOU dislike it.

Voting pro-choice is voting for nothing more than the woman's right to keep the second option. We're not trying to force women to do or NOT do anything, you are. We're trying to secure the second option; Whether or not a woman uses it is up to her. Pro-lifers will not, and that's fine, even some non-pro-lifers might not want abortion, but the point of pro-choice is to make sure it's there IN CASE she wants it.

We are not taking away anything, nor are we imposing anything. We're not removing pro-lifers rights, you still have the right to dislike abortion, and abortion being legal will not stop pro-lifers doing things THEIR way (I.e; keeping the child.). The point is, there needs to be two options, so the woman can choose.

You are proposing that we are forcing our beliefs on men like you who are pro-life, just by disagreeing with your stance, which is the very peak of retardation. WHAT are we forcing pro-lifers to do, RJ? You tell me how, by voting for a woman to have an additional choice, we are forcing our beliefs on you.

Abortions will happen, legally or not. If you're so pro-life, you would want them to be acted out safely, rather than a foetus being killed, and a fully grown human woman abusing herself in dangerous ways to get the job done, but you don't, because you're not necessarily pro-life, are you? You're pro-foetus/pro-child.

You protect the foetuses "rights", but when that foetus becomes a child, then a grown female, who may want an abortion herself, you would oppress the very former-foetus who's rights you fought so hard for.

-AC

Think about it. If the prolifers won, then they are affecting the way prochoicers live. They would be forced to live under a law they did not believe in. Their beliefs would be violated. Do you agree with this?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
If the prolifers won, then they are affecting the way prochoicers live. They would be forced to live under a law they did not believe in. Their beliefs would be violated. Do you agree with this?

Yes, and your next reply will be "That's what pro-choicers would be doing if they won.". To which I already asked you;

How, by voting for NOTHING more than a woman having an additional choice, are we oppressing pro-life beliefs? Considering that pro-lifers would still be free to not like abortion, and free to not have abortions.

Also, answer this;

What about if that foetus is born, becomes a woman and wants an abortion? You'd oppress the former-foetus you oppressed her mother to keep? What would be your solution there?

-AC