Originally posted by Jackie Malfoy
You know I might as well put you on my list all you do is follow me around and bug me for no reason.So see you.I will not be able to read your posts anymore so don't brother saying anything in them about me.
I guess that does mean you don't have alife then.JM
I should have been on your list a long time ago....
Originally posted by Jackie Malfoy
You know I might as well put you on my list all you do is follow me around and bug me for no reason. So see you.I will not be able to read your posts anymore so don't brother saying anything in them about me.
I guess that does mean you don't have alife then.JM
Anytime you are challenged about the inane opinions in your next to incoherent posts, you threaten to put the someone on your "list". This behavior is very childish. Perhaps you should reconsider who it is that does not have a life.
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Anytime you are challenged about the inane opinions in your next to incoherent posts, you threaten to put the someone on your "list". This behavior is very childish. Perhaps you should reconsider who it is that does not have a life.
Exactly...
Plain and simple. A woman should have the right to choose to have an abortion. Pro-choicers are not pushing any beliefs on anyone else, they just think that the choice should be there. Pro-lifers are trying to push their beliefs on others by stating that it should be outlawed. Number 1, no one has the right to try and make others follow what they think. Number 2, outlawing abortion will only cause more problems because outlawing something does NOT make it go away. Something that certain people need to try and realize...
Originally posted by Jackie MalfoyHow is murdering a baby worse than murdering a defenceless old person or a disabled person or anyone else for that matter?
I don't think that is true having an abortion is a painful thing and also causes promblems with your body.These woman should feel sad becaues what they did was kill another human being mainly a baby.
If they are too selfish to relise that then I feel bad for them.We go to jail for murdering another human being?Well it should be the same since yu are murdering a baby which is alot worst.
JM
You think people who get pregnant dont use protection? U need some sex education. Nothings 100% safe. So where do you draw the line at who would be allowed an abortion and who wouldnt? you cant so you either ban everyone which is ridiculous or you allow everyone who requires one to have one. Once again - if you dont like abortion dont have one but dont take the option away from everyone else.
problem is if that you allow people to abort they will use it for ALL the wrong reasons pretty soon people will simply use abortion as a method of birth control. Also why would a woman stay in an abusive relationship its just stupid and senseless, just leave dammit you have a choice. And as for the women with the religious family, reputation doesnt justify abortion, you'll live and her parents would be living to their religious standerds because disowning a child just because they made a mistake is wrong. I wouldnt force her to keep the baby if you dont want it give it away.
Well, everyone loves to use unfortunate women in bad positions like rape/abusive relationships as examples, but why not use the average pregnant woman who wants an abortion. The fact of the matter is, most the time any problems a woman is avoiding for the child's good could also be avoided by adoption. If you are going to argue that abortions are beneficial, don't try to spin it around like it's for the kid. It's better for the mom, better for the general public, but not better for the fetus.
When it comes to woman who use protection and get pregnant anyway, that is not a valid reason for abortion in my opinion. Yes she was careful, but as long as she wasn't raped nobody put her in that situation. Everybody knows birth control doesn't have any guarantees. If a guy gets a girl pregnant even though he had a condom on and was on the pill, he still has to support that child no matter what. He has to deal with the consequences of his actions no matter how careful he was. So why is it when a woman gets pregnant in those same conditions she somehow has a valid reason to terminate her pregnancy? Maybe instead of relying on birth control people should not have sex if they aren't willing to deal with the final result. That would be a good way to reduce the number of kids in foster homes.
I am not saying for this reason abortion should be illegal, I'm just saying in many (not all) cases abortion could be avoided and the only reason the parents get it is for their own personal convenience.
problem is if that you allow people to abort they will use it for ALL the wrong reasons pretty soon people will simply use abortion as a method of birth control. Also why would a woman stay in an abusive relationship its just stupid and senseless, just leave dammit you have a choice. And as for the women with the religious family, reputation doesnt justify abortion, you'll live and her parents would be living to their religious standerds because disowning a child just because they made a mistake is wrong. I wouldnt force her to keep the baby if you dont want it give it away.I think you underestimate people - only a very small percentage would use it as birth control. Just because an abortion is available to a woman doesnt mean she's going to go have one. You really think a woman would rather use abortion as birth control rather than the pill? Also i dont know about the USA but over here we get people killing their daughters because they dont want to have an arranged marriage and stuff... As for abusive relationships - yes women should just leave them but they dont. you want to bring a child into that environment?
Well, everyone loves to use unfortunate women in bad positions like rape/abusive relationships as examples, but why not use the average pregnant woman who wants an abortion. The fact of the matter is, most the time any problems a woman is avoiding for the child's good could also be avoided by adoption. If you are going to argue that abortions are beneficial, don't try to spin it around like it's for the kid. It's better for the mom, better for the general public, but not better for the fetus.Abortions are legal because of the exceptional cases - if it was all about the average woman Bush wouldnt have any problem banning it. and - you cant allow abortions for women in dangerous situations and ban everyone else cos all the other women would just lie and it would cause too much paper work etc... dont be ridiculous - people not having sex? are you having a laugh!? sex is not just about procreating.When it comes to woman who use protection and get pregnant anyway, that is not a valid reason for abortion in my opinion. Yes she was careful, but as long as she wasn't raped nobody put her in that situation. Everybody knows birth control doesn't have any guarantees. If a guy gets a girl pregnant even though he had a condom on and was on the pill, he still has to support that child no matter what. He has to deal with the consequences of his actions no matter how careful he was. So why is it when a woman gets pregnant in those same conditions she somehow has a valid reason to terminate her pregnancy? Maybe instead of relying on birth control people should not have sex if they aren't willing to deal with the final result. That would be a good way to reduce the number of kids in foster homes.
I am not saying for this reason abortion should be illegal, I'm just saying in many (not all) cases abortion could be avoided and the only reason the parents get it is for their own personal convenience.
No... I believe abortion is legal for all women, people just use extreme cases to argue their side. It's not only legal because of the tiny percentage of women who are raped and become pregnant that way.
I was exaggerating with "don't have sex," but my point is that there is ALWAYS a chance of getting pregnant and if you willingly have sex with anyone even if you use protection, then you also should understand the possibilities that you could very well become pregnant.
I'm not say it shouldn't be legal, but people here are arguing as if the woman shares no fault in getting pregnant as long as they use protection/birth control.
they share as much fault as the guy involved and less fault than someone who didnt use protection. I believe abortion is legal for all women but if i argued that every woman should be allowed an abortion because she has the right to choose its not enough for a lot of people. They think she's going to suffer more than if she keeps the child so im just pointing out its not the case. And its not all about women who become raped. The majority of women who have abortions have them not because of birth control but because their situation is not suitible to bring a child into - either because they are too young or because they are in abusive relationships.
Well I guess I'll buy that even though I'd really like to see some facts to back that up because I know for a fact you don't need a reason to get an abortion.
But I wouldn't say that they played any less of a part in making their kid as someone who uses protection. They were more careful, and those who did not use protection were just being foolish, but thinking that you
are exempt from your parental responsibilities just because you used protection is incorrect in my opinion. Your actions still created that child, and realistically in most cases the parents COULD deal with the consequences, they just don't because a baby would interfere with their life.
I don't see what is stopping a woman in an abusive relationship or a girl who is too young to support a baby from dealing with their responsibilities, having the kid, and giving it up for adoption. Even though that isn't accepting full responsibility, at least it is giving the child a chance to live. People seem to think abortion is the only option in most cases. In some cases it's the only way to go, but in many cases it could be avoided but is not just for the parent's convenience.
They do if it it is put up for adoption... the child is then property of the state. And I don't want abortion to be illegal, I just think that some people are making it out to be like the woman is the victim and we should feel sorry for her. And sometime people try to act like getting an abortion is better for the child then having to live through a tough childhood, which I think is ridiculous. I seriously doubt a woman who has had an abortion would argue like it is no big deal.
How could you ask a question lilke that?It is the same thing murdering a baby is the same as killing a old woman.But I think killing a baby is alot worst.
Prolifes don't push anyone, and prochoice means Proabortion why people think they are not the same is beyond me.Being prochoice is bad enough being that it is up to you reahter you should kill a baby or not.
What kind of thing is that to think about?It is like saying should I kill my self or should I not?That is mess up.I don't really see how you guys think this is a normal thing when it grosses me out.
JM
I'm gonna have to disagree on something there Jackie. Pro-choice does not mean pro-abortion. I am Pro choice technically because I do not wish for there to be a mandatory law that bans all abortion. I think that forcing people to comply with your beliefs is never the right way to go. That certainly doesn't mean I'm FOR abortion.
But you still support the idea of abortion by being prochoice there fore it makes better sence to have the word abortion there.Do you get what I mean?
If people are forced then they do abortions becaue they don't wanna know the truth that it is in fact killing a human being mainly a baby.Being prochoice as you call it does not stop people from this choice of aborting a baby or not aborting a baby.
True it is the mom's choice but to have a choice like that just because they made teh mistake them self is wrong to me.They can't just kill a baby because of one night stand.
That to me is not fair at all.JM