Abortion

If people are forced then they do abortions becaue they don't wanna know the truth that it is in fact killing a human being mainly a baby

but jackie, some people dont see it as killing a baby... at least they dont consider a two month old foetus or whatever to be a human being...

I see where you are going, but I happen to believe that you can disagree with abortions without forcing that view on the general public. I will argue why a mother shouldn't choose to get an abortion, but I will never argue why it should be illegal for a mother to choose otherwise. Do you see the difference?

(u talking to me afro?)

maybe sometimes i wouldnt agree with someone getting an abortion, but i'd rather they were able to make their own choice rather than be told they couldnt.

No I was talking to Jackie. Didn't see your post, sorry.

no problem

The alternative to allowing a woman to have access to abortion is the government forcing a woman to remain pregnant against her will.

The issue here is not the moment life begins or the moment personhood begins but whether or not the government has the right to enforce reproduction.

whether or not the government has the right to enforce reproduction.

only one person should have that right: the mother...

"They can't just kill a baby because of one night stand."

We've established that it's not a baby. It's a fact that it's not, deal with this.

-AC

How could you ask a question lilke that?It is the same thing murdering a baby is the same as killing a old woman.But I think killing a baby is alot worst.

The alternative to allowing a woman to have access to abortion is the government forcing a woman to remain pregnant against her will.

The issue here is not the moment life begins or the moment personhood begins but whether or not the government has the right to enforce reproduction.

It is a baby Nay I don't know why you don't think it is.Just because it does not look like a baby does not mean it not human.Sorry about confusing you back there about the kiling thing.
Anyway the goverment geting involved for once may be a good thing if they can stop people from having abortions I think it would be great.
Even through it is quite sad that these people don't think of not having one themselfs.
THe truth hurts sometimes and the truth is having an abortion is murdering a baby.Reather you want to believe it or not is up to you.JM

it is banned here.
but if ppl want to do it, they do.
it has nothing to do with goverment.

i understand that you think that. but thats not what i was getting at - what i was getting at was that you said killing anybody is the same as killing a child and then you said the opposite - "killing a baby is a lot worse"

Originally posted by yerssot
why that? cause one grows out to be a human?
well, the plant grows up to be a tree, both living things and both come from a bunch of cells

A plant will always be a plant, can u say the same thing about what you call a bunch of cells in a woman? No, you can't, those cells are a process/stage that is necessary for life, for a baby to be born.

what you mean like a germinating seed?

Originally posted by Jackie Malfoy
How could you ask a question lilke that?It is the same thing murdering a baby is the same as killing a old woman.But I think killing a baby is alot worst.
Prolifes don't push anyone, and prochoice means Proabortion why people think they are not the same is beyond me.Being prochoice is bad enough being that it is up to you reahter you should kill a baby or not.
What kind of thing is that to think about?It is like saying should I kill my self or should I not?That is mess up.I don't really see how you guys think this is a normal thing when it grosses me out.
JM

As usual, you're way off the mark.

Number one, make up your damn mind about what you think. How can two things be the same but one be worse at the same time? You just directly contradicted yourself.

Pro-choice does NOT mean pro-abortion. Pro-choice means that the option should be there, that there should be a CHOICE. Pro-life means that it should be outlawed and not allowed at ALL. Which side of the argument is trying to push beliefs on others? Saying that the option should be available is not trying to force people to think your way. Saying that it should be banned is.

"It is a baby Nay I don't know why you don't think it is."

It's not a baby because it's cells that haven't developed into a human foetus yet. What part of that are you not grasping? It is only a human when it develops into humanoid form. Until then it's not a baby. So stop claiming that it is, as much as you believe so, you can't defeat scientific fact. Because it is not an opinion, it is a fact.

"I don't really see how you guys think this is a normal thing when it grosses me out."

I don't know how you can reach school/uni level of age and still be a complete idiot but you seem to have done it.

Just because you can't grasp facts and opinions OR differentiate between the two, it doesn't mean that everyone else is wrong. Everyone saying that abortion is utterly wrong and/or should be illegalised is wrong. That's a judgement call that I'm making but it also happens to be true which adds that kick to it.

-AC

It is a baby Nay I don't know why you don't think it is.

thats your opinion jackie, not fact. my opinion is that they are not a baby. whether alphas right or not (i aint sure but i believe he is) i dont believe a foetus thats a few months old is a baby.

If it was a baby straight away, a human straight away, it wouldn't need 9 months to appear would it? Why do you think premature births are so dangerous? Because they have to have the 9 months to develop into a baby.

Be quiet if you don't know what you're talking about please. You can rant and rave about abortion being murder, fact is that it isn't.

-AC

A plant will always be a plant,

I think FE is a closet creationist.

That's why she can't grasp the concept of growth or advancing lifeforms.

She think everything just appears. Babies and Plants in this case.

-AC