Saitama runs the marvel hardcore gauntlet

Started by Classic NES43 pages
Originally posted by MrMind
sadly manga is way more popular than comics on the internet forums

Yes, it seems that way. But, I prefer to discuss comics because the amount of knowledge and reading material required makes it fun. Love having to dig for feats and character knowledge.

same here

manga can never reach the complexity of dc and marvel

Originally posted by MrMind
same here

manga can never reach the complexity of dc and marvel

The complexity can be a turn-off for people getting into Comics, but it's what makes discussing comics so fun.

Complexity implies that there's an idea behind it. No, it's an incoherent mess brought about by writers not caring about other writers's stories.

But there's more to the Japanese publishing format than just being coherent. They tend to rely more on visuals and not be as verbose, which makes catching up on a year's worth of reading less of a daunting task.

Originally posted by Astner
Complexity implies that there's an idea behind it. No, it's an incoherent mess brought about by writers not caring about other writers's stories.

But there's more to the Japanese publishing format than just being coherent. They tend to rely more on visuals and not be as verbose, which makes catching up on a year's worth of reading less of a daunting task.

Fair enough, but it's a fun mess to dive into.

When I first got into comics and tried getting other Manga fans into it one common problem/complaint I ran into was how wordy they were. I could normally breeze through a chapter. But, reading a comic would take much longer and be like reading a book. Took me a while to get into.

Originally posted by Classic NES
Fair enough, but it's a fun mess to dive into.

When I first got into comics and tried getting other Manga fans into it one common problem/complaint I ran into was how wordy they were. I could normally breeze through a chapter. But, reading a comic would take much longer and be like reading a book. Took me a while to get into.


The problem is that it's a visual medium and therefore shouldn't be as wordy. But when you have separate writers and artists you get into a situation where the writer has to justify his paycheck.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Irrelevant? How can you say that when you can't even tell me how fast it is?

It's unquantifiable, and I know you know this. You've spent the last day or so probably trying to Google it, and have failed.

It's quantifiable. Just need the knowledge in order to quantify it.
But a quantity doesn't have to be known in order to prove that it is greater than another quantity (known or unknown).

For example, clearly Saitama was faster than Usain Bolt's fastest movement speed when he created those many afterimages.

Sentry has done nothing to compare, therefore he loses in speed by default.

Originally posted by Astner
The problem is that it's a visual medium and therefore shouldn't be as wordy. But when you have separate writers and artists you get into a situation where the writer has to justify his paycheck.

It really depends. Manga has a more decompressed storytelling where they try to emulate film. They use a lot of panels but it works because their release schedule is much faster than comics. 25 pages per week. A comic has about 25 pages a month because it's colored. So, to speed things up and not waste panels they use a lot of text to move the story along faster.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Again - how fast is this? Give me a mph figure. You just using pretty art isn't proof. You might as well say Robin is faster than Flash's IMP.

Tell me. Whose fists are moving faster here, Robin:

Or Flash:

This goes to h1 as well. Relying on art is.....not infallible. Am I saying Saitama is human level speed? Of course not. But to say he is faster than everyone here, based on art, is.....silly.

We clearly know how fast Flash is? We do not know how fast Sentry is other than him catching a bullet. Therefore Robin (in that particular instance) is punching faster than Sentry when you see Sentry randomly punches someone.

Also comics are clear when they are showing action in the character's perspective or ours (humans). So yes we can determine who punched faster based off art.

Originally posted by Smurph
Yeah high balling after images because they look cool. I just don't know why h1 says catching a bullet is Sentry's top speed feat when we know he grabbed Thor at "many times the speed of light"

Anyways here's Sentry creating after images I guess he's a speed god now

https://imgur.io/gAco8we

Post the scan or issue number of Sentry grabbing Thor at many times the speed of light.

Nvm I already know what you are talking about.
Top speed (speed gain during time and space) doesn't equal instant battle distance speed. It's all about acceleration. For example, what speed can Sentry obtain within 0.5km?
What is his reflexes? A character can not operate at a speed faster than they can respond. Space is huge, even I can react in space traveling at many times the speed of light

Originally posted by h1a8
Post the scan or issue number of Sentry grabbing Thor at many times the speed of light.

Nvm I already know what you are talking about.
Top speed (speed gain during time and space) doesn't equal instant battle distance speed. It's all about acceleration. For example, what speed can Sentry obtain within 0.5km?
What is his reflexes? A character can not operate at a speed faster than they can respond. Space is huge, even I can react in space traveling at many times the speed of light

What are you talking about?

https://imgur.io/NxMLdqQ
https://imgur.io/1tbkmT2

Wolverine's senses pick up a sonic boom from hundreds of miles away. Before the sound registers with him, Sentry grabs Thor by the neck, "hurled forward at many times the speed of light", with velocity that "bends space and time"

So we know that before Wolverine could register, Sentry went from sonic speeds to many times lightspeed, and that his reflexes were at least good enough to target Thor and grab him by the throat at those speeds. So no, catching a bullet is not DS Sentry's best speed feat.

I suppose we have to ignore that Wolverine couldn't have heard the sonic boom before Sentry attacked because sound couldn't have been moving faster than Sentry.... comics, I guess.

The feat is plenty clear, though.

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especially when i have yet to see anyone give any legitimate speed calcs for saitama. yet they're totally fine with ignoring blatant comic feats. makes sense.

And yet, Sentry still gets blitzed by Saitama.

what's saitama's best speed feats

Originally posted by MrMind
what's saitama's best speed feats

Catching Flashy Flash's sword which he can allegedly draw at faster than light speeds.

Circling every part of a moon bigger than earth's moon in one panel. Anyways, let me pull a Darksaint. Sentry does blitz an unaware Thor. Same comic...

Wasp dodges him...

https://ibb.co/zPP1ZwW

Wasp outreacts him...

https://ibb.co/sV9JFTT
https://ibb.co/L8s7Mf0

And he's unable to dodge a big, 100 ft tall worm...

https://ibb.co/C7hpVVQ

Originally posted by carver9
Circling every part of a moon bigger than earth's moon in one panel. Anyways, let me pull a Darksaint. Sentry does blitz an unaware Thor. Same comic...

Wasp dodges him...

https://ibb.co/zPP1ZwW

Wasp outreacts him...

https://ibb.co/sV9JFTT
https://ibb.co/L8s7Mf0

And he's unable to dodge a big, 100 ft tall worm...

https://ibb.co/C7hpVVQ

CIS

He didn't dodge the worm because he's playing his part of being surprised at our heroine's trump card. Plus it's no threat to him. It's no different than when Saitama tanks an attack he could easily dodge.

DarkSaint, is that showing CIS? Happened in same comic.

It was actually five issues later...

Same character, same story.