Saitama runs the marvel hardcore gauntlet

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I'm saying it's unquantifiable. If you can quantify it, by all means.

I have shown humans creating afterimages, multiple afterimages, in comics. Humans who do not have superhuman speed, maybe by real world standards, but not by comic book standards. That is not lowballing, I have provided proof ( and can scan dump if needed, for multiple characters across Marvel and DC, creating afterimages).

We use common sense. What was the writer trying to portray? That Saitama was moving very very fast. Faster than a bullet and possibly fast as light. The amount isn't needed when the other character in comparison doesn't have any feats above bullet catching.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So PIS that they are moving slowly when they punch hard. Good to know.

You don't need a special screen, lmao. Just wave your hand in front of your face - you will produce afterimages. What speed feats then does Saitama have, to make you say he has superspeed? You're just being circular - he is fast, because he produces afterimages, and afterimages are proof of speed, because Saitama is fast, because he produces afterimages.

Nightwing and Robin are moving faster than Superman in the majority of his scans, as per you, because they produce afterimages. For Carver, replace Superman with Hulk and Gladiator.

It's not very good debating.

Not PIS but comic physics.
If you disagree then every feat is PIS by your standard and I can prove it (prove that it is impossible for the feat to happen)

I don't see any afterimages moving my hand across my face. Do you even know what afterimages are?

Don't strawman me.
State my argument in complete without leaving out critical details.

I stated that R9bin (only in that scene) punched faster than Superman ONLY in scenes where there is no evidence that Superman punched with superspeed.

Originally posted by carver9
There's a HUGE difference in what you're posting. Your scans are action sequence, showing the characters movements action by action. Saitama is legitimately using super speed to where Garou is visually seeing multiple Saitamas, something that you're scans are not showing. Example, Superman leaving an after image in front of the JLA while being miles away performing actions. That's super speed. Saitama having images all over a moon bigger than earth's moon is pure super speed, not just random after images.

So you disagree with h1, at least - that's good (see his post after yours 😂 ).

My point, though, is that it's still an afterimage. Ok, if you want to argue that your example of Superman and the JLA is faster, that's fine by me - there can be degrees to this if you want, where some afterimages are faster than other afterimages (maybe, lol) but the point still remains, that afterimages alone aren't proof of who is faster than whom. Is Nightwing faster than Hulk, just because he produces afterimages? No! Hulk would be faster, based on his feats, with hard numbers.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So you disagree with h1, at least - that's good (see his post after yours 😂 ).

My point, though, is that it's still an afterimage. Ok, if you want to argue that your example of Superman and the JLA is faster, that's fine by me - there can be degrees to this if you want, where some afterimages are faster than other afterimages (maybe, lol) but the point still remains, that afterimages alone aren't proof of who is faster than whom. Is Nightwing faster than Hulk, just because he produces afterimages? No! Hulk would be faster, based on his feats, with hard numbers.

Hulk, Nightwing, Sentry, Superman, Gladiator are not creating after images across an entire moon in one panel. Hulk, Nightwing, Sentry, Superman, Gladiator are not having 10 to 20 after images coming at a fighter who also possess crazy amounts of speed. Imagine Superman blitzing Zod and Zod himself (or Flash, Black Adam, Wonder Woman, etc) is seeing multiple Supermens attacking when in actuality its just one Superman moving so fast that someone with super speed can't even keep up or see the true Supes.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So you disagree with h1, at least - that's good (see his post after yours 😂 ).

My point, though, is that it's still an afterimage. Ok, if you want to argue that your example of Superman and the JLA is faster, that's fine by me - there can be degrees to this if you want, where some afterimages are faster than other afterimages (maybe, lol) but the point still remains, that afterimages alone aren't proof of who is faster than whom. Is Nightwing faster than Hulk, just because he produces afterimages? No! Hulk would be faster, based on his feats, with hard numbers.

Characters speed is not static in comics.
It fluctuates from scene to scene. You can't claim one character is faster than another comparing showings where one character used speed and another didn't.
Hulk doesn't always punch or move with superspeed. This is a fact.

Originally posted by h1a8
But if you can't quantify Sentry's punches (speed) then why can he move or react faster than Saitama? You are creating a double standard.

We use common sense. What was the writer trying to portray? That Saitama was moving very very fast. Faster than a bullet and possibly fast as light. The amount isn't needed when the other character in comparison doesn't have any feats above bullet catching.

There is a giant gulf between bullet speeds and lightspeed, and you know it - you're just trying to be disingenuous now.

I never said Saitama wasn't moving fast - I am saying that when compared to DS Sentry's speeds, it isn't fast.

I mean, if you're just going to ignore common sense and logic when it suits you (punching hard = punching fast, f=ma etc), then.....yeah, you're just being hypocritical now.

Basically DS is saying that creating countless afterimages that covers a large amount of distance is not good enough to prove to be faster than a random punch from Sentry or Hulk (with 0 evidence of superspeed)

Originally posted by carver9
Hulk, Nightwing, Sentry, Superman, Gladiator are not creating after images across an entire moon in one panel. Hulk, Nightwing, Sentry, Superman, Gladiator are not having 10 to 20 after images coming at a fighter who also possess crazy amounts of speed. Imagine Superman blitzing Zod and Zod himself (or Flash, Black Adam, Wonder Woman, etc) is seeing multiple Supermens attacking when in actuality its just one Superman moving so fast that someone with super speed can't even keep up or see the true Supes.

That's not my point, and you know it.

Robin, whilst dying, is punching faster than Gladiator, apparently. His fists are moving so fast, you can't tell which is the real hand.

Nightwing jumping across the city, is travelling faster than Gladiator or WW....because he's moving so fast, he's leaving a trail of afterimages.

Is this true?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
There is a giant gulf between bullet speeds and lightspeed, and you know it - you're just trying to be disingenuous now.

I never said Saitama wasn't moving fast - I am saying that when compared to DS Sentry's speeds, it isn't fast.

I mean, if you're just going to ignore common sense and logic when it suits you (punching hard = punching fast, f=ma etc), then.....yeah, you're just being hypocritical now.

Originally posted by h1a8
Basically DS is saying that creating countless afterimages that covers a large amount of distance is not good enough to prove to be faster than a random punch from Sentry or Hulk (with 0 evidence of superspeed)

Pretty much. Because if so, this throws out a LOT of Hulk's speed feats, because he's not producing any afterimages. It throws a lot of Gladiator's feats out.

I think this should just be made clear to Carver, that's all. If anything, it's a good stamina feat for Saitama to be moving all over Io like that, but that's really it.

Not to mention, it's all been retconned away.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
That's not my point, and you know it.

Robin, whilst dying, is punching faster than Gladiator, apparently. His fists are moving so fast, you can't tell which is the real hand.

Nightwing jumping across the city, is travelling faster than Gladiator or WW....because he's moving so fast, he's leaving a trail of afterimages.

Is this true?

There are lots of types of evidence. Afterimages isn't the only

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
That's not my point, and you know it.

Robin, whilst dying, is punching faster than Gladiator, apparently. His fists are moving so fast, you can't tell which is the real hand.

Nightwing jumping across the city, is travelling faster than Gladiator or WW....because he's moving so fast, he's leaving a trail of afterimages.

Is this true?

If Gladiator threw a single punch at nano second speeds, then no, Nightwing isn't punching faster. Would a single punch leave an after image? Your question doesn't align with what we are debating about. Maybe you should post similar scans.

Nightwing isn't leaving after images. Your scan is an action sequence showing us what Nightwing is doing. Saitama is actually creating images of himself, making it appear as more than one Saitama (from someone eyes who possess super speed) when in actuality, it's just one Saitama. Huge difference.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Pretty much. Because if so, this throws out a LOT of Hulk's speed feats, because he's not producing any afterimages. It throws a lot of Gladiator's feats out.

I think this should just be made clear to Carver, that's all. If anything, it's a good stamina feat for Saitama to be moving all over Io like that, but that's really it.

Not to mention, it's all been retconned away.

But what you don't understand is that those characters are NOT punching with any degree of superspeed when there is no evidence to support it. Punching hard is not proof to punching fast in comics

Originally posted by h1a8
Wolverine sensing things before any stimulus can reach him is not only impossible but NOT the status quo and therefore is never the case outside that one showing you are referring to. In that case Logan could never be struck by sub sonic attacks (which is not the case).

How long did it take Sentry to go sonic speeds? How far did Sentry travel before reaching sonic speeds?
How long did it take Sentry to go light speed? How far did Sentry travel before reaching light speed?

Logan hears a sonic boom occurring hundreds of miles away. Before he can register the noise, Sentry attacks Thor at far faster than lightspeed. This is all right in the narration.

Capping Sentry at bullet-catching speed is just trolling.

Originally posted by h1a8
Sentry has superspeed yes. The fastest I ever seen him move in an instant and react was when he caught the sniper bullet. All other feats, like flying ftl in space are not usable in a battle situation. Speed is irrelevant, it's more about time. How much time will it take someone to travel 0.5km starting from rest? What is the smallest amount of time someone reacted to something that occurred. Time is the key, not speed. Acceleration gives time, not speed.

Why not tell DS to stop lowballing? Did you see the 50+ afterimages Saitama created while in battle? This is more than Sonic created who is stated to be faster than sound. DS is trying to say that Saitama moved a little faster than a human since no one here can quantify an actual mph for it. If saying that particular feat (not afterimages in general) can not be used as a speed feat is not lowballing then I don't know what lowballing is.

Because you're trolling at this point. I asked you myself how fast are the after images. We have quantifiable speed for Sentry not for OPM. Don't deflect to saint, he's solely here for carver shenanigans.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Because you're trolling at this point. I asked you myself how fast are the after images. We have quantifiable speed for Sentry not for OPM. Don't deflect to saint, he's solely here for carver shenanigans.

How much time will it take Sentry to cover 50ft while starting from rest?

How much time can Sentry deliver a punch?

If you can't quantify those things then at this point you are trolling.

Originally posted by Smurph
The first part of your post is nonsense. The second part is unnecessary in light of what the scans show.

Logan hears a sonic boom occurring hundreds of miles away. Before he can register the noise, Sentry attacks Thor at far faster than lightspeed. This is all right in the narration.

Capping Sentry at bullet-catching speed is just trolling.

But that's irrelevant. Top speed doesn't mean anything. It's about how long it will take you to cover 50ft, starting from rest.

Spending time to generate speed away from battle is meaningless.

Originally posted by h1a8

How much time will it take Sentry to cover 50ft while starting from rest?

https://imgur.io/n1HJyBS

In combination with the Thor scan, which literally spells out that Sentry can attack at MFTL, there is no question that his forum speed is way higher than your troll lowballing.

Originally posted by h1a8
No it's not in the narrative. You are clearly making stuff up.

Originally posted by h1a8
But you are arguing in circles. You are assuming DS Sentry is fast in battle without proof.
Quantify any of his feats. How long will it take him to travel 50ft starting from rest?

Logan hears a sonic boom hundreds of miles away. Let's say that's 200miles.

Before he can do anything about it, DS Sentry is upon them. Logan has reacted to bullets after they've been fired before, but by the by.

The fact that Logan can hear the boom, means that 0.3 seconds had elapsed (the boom would be travelling at the speed of sound, being....well, sound).

HOWEVER! As we clearly see the boom reach Logan BEFORE Sentry, Sentry must have been going slower than sound.

He then grabs Thor.

Then is travelling MANY TIMES the speed of light.

So DS Sentry accelerated from being slower than sound, to many (2?3? Many, to me, means a large number, so let's say 20x) the speed of light, within a short time frame. How short?

We know it was before Logan could register. Humans can respond to information within a quarter of a millisecond, but that's an average human - Logan is a highly trained warrior with a degree of superhuman speed and reactions, but let's lowball and say he's no better than a normal real life human.

So Sentry accelerated from slightly less than the speed of sound, to ~20x the speed of light, over a short distance (up until he hits the Avengers, he has to be under Mach 1 because otherwise he's faster than sound), over a quarter of a millisecond.

Of course, all of this is moot. He is going many times faster than light. It doesn't matter what distance this is over, tbh, as you're trying to apply Newtonian physics to FTL travel, which is wrong.

I do like the double standards though of asking people to quantify things, without providing any quantifiable feats yourself. Bravo, troll.