Count Nefaria Vs Hercules, speed equalised, no heat vision

Originally posted by cdtm
Classic Wonder Man? I may be largely ignorant of Marvel, but I did read some classic Avengers, and know he never actually hurt Thor with his sucker punch. He [b]toppled him, e.g. knocked him off balance. The text even directly said he couldn't actually harm him. [/B]

Classic Wonder Man was kinda Marvel's answer to Amazo. Talked about him having attributes of different Avengers. I think Captain America's skill was one, I know they said he had the strength of.....Giant-Man. But his fists hit hard as Mjolnir was another.

Originally posted by h1a8
"a bit" has been used for "quite a bit" on many occasions.

Originally posted by h1a8
"a bit" has been used for "quite a bit" on many occasions.

😕

Originally posted by h1a8
I don't think Hercules is significantly stronger than Thor. Most likely by a small amount.

If Hercules is a 100, Thor was a 95. Nefaria wouldn’t get the chance to exert his combat dominance, because in this case he’d be getting schooled. You ever see Heartbreak Ridge?

Originally posted by Stoic
If Hercules is a 100, Thor was a 95. Nefaria wouldn’t get the chance to exert his combat dominance, because in this case he’d be getting schooled. You ever see Heartbreak Ridge?

That's not realistic. Nefaria was clocking all the avengers, even Thor. Is Hercules way more skilled than all of them?

He's a bit

😂

Hercules isn't stronger than Thor at all.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Hercules isn't stronger than Thor at all.

My dude.

Herc never needed to use Bengay 😂

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Why do you hate yourself so much, Whirl?

You and Herc are basically the same character 😎

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
My dude.

Herc never needed to use Bengay 😂

Originally posted by h1a8
That's not realistic. Nefaria was clocking all the avengers, even Thor. Is Hercules way more skilled than all of them?

In H2H yes he is. He’d bulldog Nefaria setting up multiple suplexes from hell, gut wrenches, body slams, and submissions one after the other. Herc doesn’t tire. This is a no contest, because as unrealistic as it may seem to you, wrestling is an extremely dominant form of combat in 1v1 confrontations. With speed equalized, and no long range offensive attacks in play, Nefaria is just a muscle guy with no way of countering Herc’s style of combat.

Originally posted by Stoic
Hercules is actually a bit stronger than Thor, while Thor is obviously more powerful. I do mean Thor before his All Father career began. Who cares if you’re stronger if you only land 1 out of 10 attempted assaults? With Herc’s superior knowledge of combat, Nefaria would get the short end.

Nefaria isn’t so strong that he can brush off Herc’s attacks as if they were nothing.

Originally posted by Delta1938
Why do you say Hercules is stronger than Thor?

Originally posted by Stoic
In H2H yes he is. He’d bulldog Nefaria setting up multiple suplexes from hell, gut wrenches, body slams, and submissions one after the other. Herc doesn’t tire. This is a no contest, because as unrealistic as it may seem to you, wrestling is an extremely dominant form of combat in 1v1 confrontations. With speed equalized, and no long range offensive attacks in play, Nefaria is just a muscle guy with no way of countering Herc’s style of combat.

That's bs
Nefaria will pimp smack him away the moment he's within reach.
Hercules is on the slower side of heroes.
You are basically arguing the combo to ko routine that I use to argue. Pr does not like that.

Originally posted by h1a8

Hercules is on the slower side of heroes.

Speed is equalized though. It's even in the title.

Originally posted by Delta1938
Speed is equalized though. It's even in the title.

Well my point still stands as my intention was both to be equal speed and not that Herc is faster.

Originally posted by h1a8
I was already assuming they were the same speed when I posted it.
I wasn't sure if he thought Herc was faster or not (they way he's arguing).
I didn't know Nefaria was faster than Herc in comics.

Well my point still stands as my intention was both to be equal speed and not that Herc is faster.

Nefaria's origin was he drained the majority of the power of 3 villains and took them except amplified(I think 100 times) and one of them had superhuman speed.

Originally posted by Delta1938

It was their original strength classification. Hercules always had a slight edge in strength. Thor was originally within the upper class 95 tier, which as we know did not necessarily mean that that their upper strength limit was 95 tons. Thor has lifted far more than that. The Thing as an example presses more than 100 tons.

h1 isn’t seeing that without the added speed, Nefaria would have had a much more difficult time dealing with Thor, but because of his speed couple with decent energy projection he was always a step ahead of Thor.

Stoic you are going off of the first OHOTMU, that book has been updated many times over as both Thor and Herc are listed at Class 100+, they are evenly strong as their battles alone has always proven that, if anyone has an edge I'd give it to Thor, he had beaten Hercules bare fisted before.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Eh, last time I jumped in on Stoic's post with you I royally spanked you, so I am happy to wait and see what the writer intended.

How was writer intent here, h1?