To Carver's post a couple pages back:Regarding Doomsday's speed you referenced:
He's cited at moving half the speed of sound by *some* observer, but, we *see* Doomsday cover a distance of some 50 miles from a Metropolis mile marker to the skyline of the city in the span it takes that same obverver to finish two sentences even though it ought have taken Doomsday between 7 to 8 minutes to cover that distance moving at half the speed of sound.
In any case this is long distance travel speed, not combat... There's also nothing to indicate this is Doomsday's maximum effort, you simply drew your own conclusion there.
"Even at speeds below the speed of sound, Superman couldn't even catch him."
You don't know that Doomsday was hopping at the same speed in the fighting as he was stated to be when bounding towards Metropolis, he could have been moving faster... You don't even know if the stated speed is accurate and reliable as the announced half/sound speed is contradicted by the on panel presentation demonstrating Doomsday was moving much faster than that... And... Superman *did* catch him, with an overhand at the start of the next issue... O o Superman *also* states/thinks "I hear you kid I just thought one of the Leaguers might be able to..." So whatever you think Superman should have done or could have done in that situation is irrelevent. You drew your own conclusions about Doomsday's speed cap based off a single contradicted statement then tried to apply that in reverse...
*** During this same event, Superman casually flies from Washington D.C. to Ohio in something like 10-15 seconds when he arrives on the scene... 330 miles... Or about 103x the speed of sound... This has more merit compared to Doomsday's speed worth discussion than a single statement that was visually contradicted as soon as it was made...
"And Booster Gold was able to react to him as well."
Booster Gold "reacted" to Doomsday trudging towards him from ten feet away, not sprinting, not lunging, and even then Booster, barely pulled it off... What Booster didn't react to? Anything immediately following Superman getting kicked through the house getting his head slammed into a tree, Doomsday rushing the League from a smoke cloud, or anything following getting caught by the neck... The only reason people ever put Flash and Doomsday in the same sentence before Doomsday Wars is because Booster made the comparison.
"And it's funny Dark throws up Superman withstanding a punch by Doomsday but moments after that getting the wind kicked out of him"
A side thrust kick is factually *far* more powerful a combat technique than a lazy gut punch *inside bondage restraints restricting upper body movement*. The average combat competitor trains taking uppercuts to the gut, but not side thrust kicks, because one of those can reasonably be done and the other is asking for injury. Beyond that, posters here already explored the idea that Doomsday was just taking it casual until he saw Supes take a punch of his; This seems like a reasonable suggestion.
*Beyond that*, Byrne's Superman is a character that explores the aspects of having mentality driven limiters and limit breakers depending on his mind and mood.
You keep insisting Doomsday was not holding back, but Idk if that's true... Like, I don't think he was totally taking it easy on the Leaguers but I do think he was playing. He could have killed Gardner and he drops him, he could have killed Beetle and he tosses him away. Twice he could have finished Supes and he walked. The entire fight he's laughing his ass off. Booster either has an insanely "pis" driven moment there, or Dooms was playing games because it gave him joy and Blue Beetle almost bit it. Either way, Idk how you can reference Booster Gold as some sort of bar here.
"Superman durability in DOS was trash."
Read the fight again...
-Superman begins the event shrugging off weapons from Warworld without a literal scratch (didn't even dust his boots for television).
-The Doomsday gut kick is an "Idk if I've ever been hit that hard" moment right off the bat.
-In the energy blast sequence,Supes pours on the heat vision so long that everyone else either runs out of juice or fades from exhaustion in the effort with heat vision being one of Superman's more taxing abilites (something that comes up against the Doomsday clone army years later where he unloads his beams and gets winded)...
- "Is it possible this guy's getting stronger" comes up *after* the "Idk if I've ever been hit that hard" moment.
Supes-"Maxima/hit him with everything you've got!"/Gets tagged flush in the face.
Supes (immediately after that)- "I don't know how much longer I can keep this up"
............Then the gas station blows.........
It wasn't just some random one off moment where Supes got caught in an explosion and went out, he was already taking heavyweight punches and went heavy in the paint with one of his more taxing abilities, all before that ever happened.
The pillars....
Before the pillars:
Supes-"This is... Insane! I'd swear the harder I fight... the more Doomsday like it!
Supes-"Gotta pull myself together. Got to end this."
Supes-"I must be getting punchy!"
Supes-"This *unngh* is not *ow* getting any easier! Just hitting Doomsday hurts... And he doesn't seem to have weakened... One Iota!
Supes-"This is... Just wearing me down. Got to... Change my tactics."
Guardian- "You took some terrible hits in the collapse--- why didn't you fly out of it?"/ Supes-"Too wasted."
I don't see how you could read this story and somehow come to the conclusion that it was giant steel hard superstructures alone that knocked Supes out and not the accumulative effect of the fight itself even though that's what was established.
"Superman was terrified of Doomsday reaching Metropolis and only had enough strength to hurl Doomsday a few 100 miles and admitted he probably weighed a ton"
That's not what happened.. Superman said he needed to keep Doomsday off balance and stay out of his reach, then said he threw doomsday "at a few hundred miles per hour" into some hills in an attempt to "soften him up." It was an intential strategy, it was reference to speed and at no point does Supes say he only had enough strength for that alone... His assertion that Doomsday weighs close to a ton is just a random aside trivia fact thrown in.
"Doomsday overall wasn't impressive"
That is your opinion... Here's some others:
Supes- "Lobo's power, his rage, doesn't begin to compare to Doomsday's!"
Gardner-"So fast I didn't even see him mo..."
Bloodwynd/Manhunter-"Gods! What manner of creature can withstand such a blow?"
Booster-"He's... Faster than... Flash!"
Gardner-"There's no way Doomsday can still be standing/Supes-"Incredible! He took all that energy without missing a beat!"
**Narration- "Darkseid experiences the very first twinge of fear in his life."
**Narration- "The monster disarmed and slew hundreds of Green Lanterns and left a thousand more wounded and drifting across the vastness of space. The Corps would not know another such defeat for hundreds of Millenia."
Idc about the thread, but there's a lot of interpretation happening here that's either way off base or reeks of bad faith... Hulk got choked out by a snake, and a werewolf, and come coils, so he must be "trash" but Idk that's how these discussions are meant to be had... You can reasonably discern how impressive Doomsday is and was when it's referenced years later over and over again to drive that point home, you can reasonably discern, or you can choose not to.
