Wonder Woman doesn't exactly have clean wins over anyone as powerful as Namor. Not in a straight-up, fair match anyway.
She won against Luddendorf but he's not at Namor's level, and she did struggle with him.
She won against Ares via plot device.
She had help against Doomsday and Steppenwolf.
She was completely helpless against Superman.
She defeated Cheetah but Cheetah doesn't have enough feats to determine whether she's as high of a threat as Namor.
I'd say this match is a tie.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Wonder Woman doesn't exactly have clean wins over anyone as powerful as Namor. Not in a straight-up, fair match anyway.She won against Luddendorf but he's not at Namor's level, and she did struggle with him.
She won against Ares via plot device.
She had help against Doomsday and Steppenwolf.
She was completely helpless against Superman.
She defeated Cheetah but Cheetah doesn't have enough feats to determine whether she's as high of a threat as Namor.I'd say this match is a tie.
He has no strength feats above WW's.
Also she is much more skilled, significantly faster, and has powerful tools (lasso,
Aegis force field attack, sword, tiara, etc).
Although it was a low showing for WW, Ludendorff has an awesome strength feat. He crumpled a steel luger gun into pieces with casual ease. That's at least 30 tons or more force in ONE hand. He did it casually which means he can exert 2-5x more force. So he's not exactly a pushover.
Anyway Diana's speed and perception (sees bullets in slow motion) makes this a stomp.
Originally posted by h1a8
You assume Namor is very powerful relative to WW. That's the fallacy of your argument.He has no strength feats above WW's.
Also she is much more skilled, significantly faster, and has powerful tools (lasso,
Aegis force field attack, sword, tiara, etc).Although it was a low showing for WW, Ludendorff has an awesome strength feat. He crumpled a steel luger gun into pieces with casual ease. That's at least 30 tons or more force in ONE hand. He did it casually which means he can exert 2-5x more force. So he's not exactly a pushover.
Anyway Diana's speed and perception (sees bullets in slow motion) makes this a stomp.
What makes you say that WW is much more skilled?
Originally posted by h1a8
Yup, fancy kicks and fancy maneuvers determines fighting skill. Any other suggestions?
Yeah, defeating actual skilled opponents. Unless you want to claim that Jet Li is somehow a more skilled fighter than Anderson Silva.
Basing fighting skill on fighting moves is the kind of stuff only kids do.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Basing fighting skill on fighting moves is the kind of stuff only kids do.
Actual moves isnt a bad way. Like we see Cap and TChalla use BJJ to grapple opponents. Thanos is boxing against Hulk.
Obviously if we know theyre trained in h2h that should count for something as well.
But h1 seems to suggest fancy maneuvers, which would make Peter Parker the best fighter in the MCU.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Actual moves isnt a bad way. Like we see Cap and TChalla use BJJ to grapple opponents. Thanos is boxing against Hulk.Obviously if we know theyre trained in h2h that should count for something as well.
But h1 seems to suggest fancy maneuvers, which would make Peter Parker the best fighter in the MCU.
Actually I made a typo. I typed "fighting moves" when I what I wanted to write was "fancy moves".
Fancy moves is not a great way to judge fighting skill. It's definitely a factor and should be considered, but it pales in comparison to being able to defeat other skilled opponents.
Also just to note, Thanos' skills resembled karate more than they did boxing.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Yeah, defeating actual skilled opponents. Unless you want to claim that Jet Li is somehow a more skilled fighter than Anderson Silva.Basing fighting skill on fighting moves is the kind of stuff only kids do.