Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Where did I insert those terms in YOUR post?[B] YOU
typednthat, did you not? [/B]
Fancy moves determine fighting skill as well as other moves.
Other evidence (like who you beat) also determines fighting skill.
Originally posted by Tzeentch
Wonder Woman was not only fast enough and skilled enough to fight Doomsday 1 on 1 but she was even able to grievously wound him multiple times while taking minor damage in return. She only failed to kill him due to his regenerative powers.We haven't seen Namor do anything even close to as impressive.
edit- This entire debate about skill is ridiculous and you're all autistic. There is no way to determine a completely arbitrary metric like "skill" here based just off choreography and hearsay. Namor has fought literally only a single superpowered character onscreen, a character who has first and foremost been a scientist and has never had any pedigree as a skilled martial artist, in a situation with unusual circumstances (depowered from the heat). We have no way of establishing an actual baseline for Namor's skill so how can we possibly make a value judgement between him and Wonder Woman? Stop being numbskulls. Diana would shit on Namor because based on what we've seen thus far she has superior strength, speed and durability feats. Who's the more skilled combatant is irrelevant just like Diana's superior skill is irrelevant against Superman.
Skill is normally determined the same way we do it in real life: by the caliber of opponents you defeat in a fair, one on one match and by the ease of which you defeat them.
Diana only went 1 on 1 with Doomsday for brief periods and she was mostly getting thrown around. Yes, she did cut off his hand but that was because she was armed and DD was unarmed. Heck, she had both sword AND shield (plus bracelets) while DD was only using his fists.
I mean, if I fought Brock Lesnar and was able to stab him because I have a knife while he was unarmed, is that supposed to be proof that I'm a highly skilled fighter?
Originally posted by h1a8
I guess you misunderstood the post.
It doesn't mean that fancy moves are the ONLY type of moves (or evidences) that determines fighting skill.Fancy moves determine fighting skill as well as other moves.
Other evidence (like who you beat) also determines fighting skill.
So who exactly did WW beat in a fair match using her skills that makes you consider her more skilled?
Originally posted by FrothByte
So who exactly did WW beat in a fair match using her skills that makes you consider her more skilled?
You have dementia.
We already went over why I said WW is more skilled. You forget that fast?
I gave general rules for determining skill, not specific ones for this particular fight.
The key is OR and not AND
Originally posted by h1a8
You have dementia.
We already went over why I said WW is more skilled. You forget that fast?I gave general rules for determining skill, not specific ones for this particular fight.
The key is OR and not AND
As you yourself admitted, you never actually gave specific proof to back up your claims. Thus we go around and around again till you actually provide something concrete.
Originally posted by FrothByte
As you yourself admitted, you never actually gave specific proof to back up your claims. Thus we go around and around again till you actually provide something concrete.
The general rules for determining skill
1. Who a character beats in a fair fight
2. Experience and Training of a character
3. Grading the actual moves and techniques a character applies in combat.
Since 1 doesn't apply in this particular match then we can use 2 and 3.
WW has thousands of years fighting experience and training so she gets 2.
WW has the advantage in 3 since her moves (attacks) and defense techniques appear to be more skillful as it would apply to a real fight. Shuri did nothing out of the ordinary when it came to attacking or defending (generic claw swings, telegraphed spinning elbow, basic 2-legged jump kick, etc). She did a couple of pretty flips though. I'm pretty sure that shit won't really work in a real fight.
Originally posted by h1a8
The general rules for determining skill
1. Who a character beats in a fair fight
2. Experience and Training of a character
3. Grading the actual moves and techniques a character applies in combat.Since 1 doesn't apply in this particular match then we can use 2 and 3.
WW has thousands of years fighting experience and training so she gets 2.WW has the advantage in 3 since her moves (attacks) and defense techniques appear to be more skillful as it would apply to a real fight. Shuri did nothing out of the ordinary when it came to attacking or defending (generic claw swings, telegraphed spinning elbow, basic 2-legged jump kick, etc). She did a couple of pretty flips though. I'm pretty sure that shit won't really work in a real fight.
Dude, majority of the moves WW pulled off wouldn't work in a real fight as well. Show me which moves from WW makes you think she's a lot more skilled than Shuri. As in show me the actual clip and tell me why those are better, don't just keep repeating that they're better.
Originally posted by Jaden_3.0
Wonder Woman beat a literal God. Fought against Superman, Doomsday and Steppenwolf. Trained as a warrior since she was a child and is approximately 5,000 years old.And we're wondering if she can beat a guy who got beat by Shuri.
OK then.
She also struggled against Luddendorf and even against Cheetah who didn't have a single day's worth of fight training.