But is it competition? See my edit - one of the biggest manga of 2021 was made into a film by DC 's owners, and it's anime was shown exclusively on Marvel's owners' channels.
It's not like laundry detergent where companies fight for market share because customers will only buy one brand. Look at Carv and abhi - anime fans, AND comic fans. Look at yourself - you're not going to say 'ah, I only have $8 and 30 free minutes this month, it's either/or time!!'
Originally posted by Classic NES
They're the same medium, how are they unrelated lmao.
They are not remotely similar. Your failure to grasp that is mind-blowing. Yes they are both printed cartoons with speech bubbles but the style and process of both are widely different. Manga is consistency, one writer. Comics does not with multiple writers for everything.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But is it competition? See my edit - one of the biggest manga of 2021 was made into a film by DC 's owners, and it's anime was shown exclusively on Marvel's owners' channels.It's not like laundry detergent where companies fight for market share because customers will only buy one brand. Look at Carv and abhi - anime fans, AND comic fans. Look at yourself - you're not going to say 'ah, I only have $8 and 30 free minutes this month, it's either/or time!!'
A few collaborations doesn't make Viz (publisher of Jump) strictly in collaboration with Marvel and DC. I mean Marvel and DC at one point have collaborated but there's no dispute that they're each other's, main competitors.
At the same time, it's not a zero-sum game companies can collaborate but primarily they seem to be in competition from my pov.
Originally posted by Sin I AM
They are not remotely similar. Your failure to grasp that is mind-blowing. Yes they are both printed cartoons with speech bubbles but the style and process of both are widely different. Manga is consistency, one writer. Comics does not with multiple writers for everything.
Those are just industry practices, it's still the same medium. It's like saying a Toyota is not a car because it was built by different standards than a ford. Manga is just comics from japan.
Originally posted by Classic NES
A few collaborations doesn't make Viz (publisher of Jump) strictly in collaboration with Marvel and DC. I mean Marvel and DC at one point have collaborated but there's no dispute that they're each other's, main competitors.At the same time, it's not a zero-sum game companies can collaborate but primarily they seem to be in competition from my pov.
There's a difference between collabs and WB actively making the next Avengers film, or Disney+ having exclusive rights to show the next Batman film.
And again, are they in competition? I see them as akin to, say, different book genres. Are romance novels in direct competition with thrillers? If you like romance, you like romance, and if you like thrillers, you like thrillers.
Then there are us, who like both. But Stephen King isn't stealing market share from Mills and Boon.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
There's a difference between collabs and WB actively making the next Avengers film, or Disney+ having exclusive rights to show the next Batman film.And again, are they in competition? I see them as akin to, say, different book genres. Are romance novels in direct competition with thrillers? If you like romance, you like romance, and if you like thrillers, you like thrillers.
Then there are us, who like both. But Stephen King isn't stealing market share from Mills and Boon.
I would say something like WSJ is definitely in competition with the typical Cape fanfare. There are often comparisons made between the two. I mean if you take all of comics and all of manga and compare they begin to look similar but if we limit our parameters to just mainstream stuff. WSJ vs DC or Marvel then you can make a competitive comparison.
But, I don't understand what you mean with respect to Disney and WB having anime. Generally, anime is distributed through third-party companies and it used to be anime specialty companies like funi that did it. But, for things like Theatrical releases and whatnot a bigger distributor like WB might be more congenial.
No WB aren't distributing the Tokyo Revengers live action film.
They made it (and are making it's sequel).
So every cent an anime fan spends watching it, means more money to hire Grant Morrison to write more Batman related comics. The more popular the manga, the bigger the fanbase, the larger the cinematic audience, the more Batcow.
So this isn't like Marvel Vs DC, or JLA Vs Avengers. This is WB making the next live action Thor film.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
No WB aren't distributing the Tokyo Revengers live action film.They made it (and are making it's sequel).
So every cent an anime fan spends watching it, means more money to hire Grant Morrison to write more Batman related comics. The more popular the manga, the bigger the fanbase, the larger the cinematic audience, the more Batcow.
Oh, I get what you're saying. Basically, they're so intertwined now they're not in direct competition. Never thought of that.
Originally posted by Classic NESAs I said:
They're both competing in the same market and are of the same industry. What's there to understand minus your semantics?
Originally posted by Smurph
Because comics success isn't mangas failure, or vice versa? As 2021 demonstrated, both sectors can grow or shrink independently. Seems obvious that the success of manga is going to be shaped to much greater degree by traction of anime in North America than it is by the growth or decline of comics. The flip side is obviously true with respect to comics and MCU/DCEU etc.
Originally posted by Classic NESI'd guess for two reasons: 1) there's more opportunity for anime to introduce new characters to the NA market and "convert" non-anime/manga consumers into purchasers; 2) many animes pick up where the mangas leave off and vice versa.
Ok, but riddle me this. Why is anime bigger for the sales of manga than MCU/DCEU for the sales of comics even though the movies make way more money than anime could?
Originally posted by Smurph
I'd guess for two reasons: 1) there's more opportunity for anime to introduce new characters to the NA market and "convert" non-anime/manga consumers into purchasers; 2) many animes pick up where the mangas leave off and vice versa.
In other words, the synergy is better, gotcha u.
Yeah. By comparison, NA consumers are already familiar with Spider-Man because they grew up with him. A great movie won't convert as many consumers to start reading his comics if they haven't started already, but there will be a net increase in purchase of Spider-Man products and paraphernalia including comics as well as... action figures, Lego, lunch boxes, what have you.
Originally posted by Sin I AM
We have two completely unrelated things, comics and manga. Then we have a loaded question posted in the thread title "what happened to the comic industry". Coupled with then vs now, nostalgia vs current climate debates. It's a failed topic to discuss under those parameters.
Agreed, tbh.
1. WOKENESS
That's what made me stop reading comics. I don't care about diversity. I care as much about black people as I care about white people (which I am). Which I don't. I care as much about gay people as I care about heterosexual people (which I am). Which I don't. And I care more about women than I care about men, since I am a man after all and I love women, but that's another story.
But I do care about superheroes, action, adventures, sci-fi and all that other stuff. That's what interest me and that's what I want to read about. So when I pick up a superhero comic, I just want to see Spider-Man save the day by punching bad guys in the face. I don't want to read an Iceman comic, where half of the comic is about him dating men. I don't hate that theme, but I don't care about it. I think as little about homosexuality as I care about basketball - which is essentially 0 seconds per day.
The same goes for a show like She-Hulk with clear agenda-driven writing, where She-Hulk tells someone like Bruce Banner that she can control her anger, because she experiences more bad stuff than Bruce Banner. Bruce Banner, one of the most broken people in comics. Who had to see his dad beat his mom and him. Who was hunted for the better part of his life by the dad of the love of his life. Who had developed a child-like, temper tantrum-throwing personality to protect himself. And you're honestly writing a scene, where being catcalled by a bunch of a-holes is worse than that? Come on.
2. MANGA
Why read western superhero comics (as a young person), where you can watch anime and read manga, which treats you with respect and as an adult? The writing is so much smarter, even in mainstream anime like Naruto or One Piece compared to trash characters like Riri Williams (who became Iron Mangirl, because her teacher told her she couldn't) or Kate Bishop, who happens to be better at archery than Clint Barton for reasons?
3. PIRACY
It takes me 10 seconds to find everything I want to read for free. Why would I pay 5-7 Euros for overpriced comic books which are printed on such cheap paper that I wouldn't even use it as toilet paper.
I remember buying comics almost 2 decades ago, which had such nice, sturdy pages and the covers were glossy and heavy and sometimes even textured. And they cost half of the money they cost nowadays. And offered double the quality in story telling, writing and art.
If I had anything to say in Marvel I would fire every single expendable writer and editor who works there. So basically people, who ever made a single "Orange Man bad" tweet. And then hire new, actually good creatives. And threaten the people, who I would keep around. Because I do think that there are still normal people, who only behave like wokeback monkeys in order to stay under the radar and not get fired.
**** mainstream comics.