Silver Surfer Vs Superman 2022 edition.

Originally posted by Juntai
Even prior to that, Silver Age was already canon to post Crisis Superman (and others) after Infinite Crisis undid the knot in the time stream.

That’s why when he met Legion of Superheroes in Johns run during the buildup to Final Crisis that he explained he hadn’t seen them since before the Crisis on Infinite Earths.

Line wide, many stories around this time and up until New52 would reference Silver Age stories with editors notes to those stories in the corner.

This just reaffirmed it for the modern blended continuity.

And here I thought you didn't care, Whirly.

PS. Neither does DC vin

No one is arguing that Pre-Crisis Superman isn't canon. But he's a different character altogether. The character we're discussing is Post-Crisis Superman, who's a merger of Pre- and Post New-52 Superman. Those are the feats we go by.

Would Pre-Crisis Superman beat Silver Surfer? Yes. His feats are on a different level altogether, so Silver Surfer's versatility isn't enough to overcome that discrepancy. Now when that's settled, let's get back to the thread.

Hoollly ! 14th pages alla sudden .

Originally posted by abhilegend
What's it with you and cropped scans?

Surfer didn't depower either Vision or Simon, he merely made their power storage (because Vision is an android and Simon is an energy being) out of whack. Later Vision and Simon use the same tactic on Surfer himself to immobilise him.

They literally use electricity to fix it lol. Also Superman can resist brain altering energy field of Totality itself (a piece of Perpetua's power).

https://imgur.com/Ycpijg4.jpg

Surfer is not doing shit to Superman, again.

All the same by modulating the energies that powered them they where incapacitated, all it takes is a direct hit and game over. It’s not some kind of brain altering attack - try again.

1 shot is all it will take and it’s game over.

Originally posted by Astner
No one is arguing that Pre-Crisis Superman isn't canon. But he's a different character altogether. The character we're discussing is Post-Crisis Superman, who's a merger of Pre- and Post New-52 Superman. Those are the feats we go by.

Would Pre-Crisis Superman beat Silver Surfer? Yes. His feats are on a different level altogether, so Silver Surfer's versatility isn't enough to overcome that discrepancy. Now when that's settled, let's get back to the thread.

Originally posted by Philosophía
Surfer cannot overcome time being stopped -- as shown when time was actually frozen, and needed the Living Tribunal to save him:

The Runner [who took Surfer's lunch money]:

Is slower than Makkari moving at the speed of light:

And while the cropped silver age panels are good for a trolling, they show the board moving fast to the destination and Doom seeing him coming in, as seen when non-cropped panels are posted.

In essence -- in terms of combat movement, Makkari [Lightspeed] > Runner >>> Surfer.

You do know the cause of that time still disturbance right Phil? It’s the time gem man! It froze the Marvel Universe whole, a complete control of time universally as opposed to Surfer’s limited speed induced time stop. Surfers speed just can’t compare to an all out Universal time stop.

You left out a tiny but important detail in that Surfers fight with the Runner Phil.

https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/82885051/F86C53B3-5103-414A-BBB8-2F0E4467E4E4.jpeg.html

https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/82885054/588EBD15-A8B7-4CDB-B269-65D866154049.jpeg.html

Surfer is not at full capacity during that fight as he was unknowingly psionically manipulated to like Runner therefore it just can’t be compared.

There is just no way around red herring the time stop feat of Surfer man, it’s completely legit. The movement of the board shows Surfer moving within that time stop, Doom seeing them is after the fact base on the on panel reaction and his surprise statement, “what’s this? The sky riding sentinel has returned already? If he saw them at time of narration, he wouldn’t be surprised to great them outside his castles yard.
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I was reading through a friends Silver Age collection of Green Lantern stuff a couple years ago as he’s been collecting them as DC prints them and we’ll just say it’s pretty damn tough to do.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Does it need infinite speed?

Qwerty shows that it doesn't - only when speeds APPROACH lightspeed, does timestop occur. The moving character (who is still less than lightspeed) is still able to move freely.

So no, it isn't infinite speed to move within a timestop.

So ftl speed - time stop, infinite speed, time stop - and back to ftl.

Originally posted by Juntai
I was reading through a friends Silver Age collection of Green Lantern stuff a couple years ago as he’s been collecting them as DC prints them and we’ll just say it’s pretty damn tough to do.

Brozen Age they begin to improve their storytelling quality and one of things I like is you can feel some fledged story concepts eolved over the years

But Golden age, I still can't feel invest in their stories

Originally posted by Ambient
Surfer requires ftl speed for time shananigans, the infinite speed im referring to is when moving within the time stop span without it everything is frozen.

So ftl speed - time stop, infinite speed, time stop - and back to ftl.

I kinda need proof that he needs FTL speeds for time stops. So far all we've seen is approaching lightspeed is enough.

Originally posted by Astner
No one is arguing that Pre-Crisis Superman isn't canon. But he's a different character altogether. The character we're discussing is Post-Crisis Superman, who's a merger of Pre- and Post New-52 Superman. Those are the feats we go by.

Would Pre-Crisis Superman beat Silver Surfer? Yes. His feats are on a different level altogether, so Silver Surfer's versatility isn't enough to overcome that discrepancy. Now when that's settled, let's get back to the thread.

You have proof that they're different? Discrepancies in feats don't count - after all, this very week we have Batman struggling with random monster goons, whilst surviving re-entry from space in another book with just his Batsuit.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Cosmic awareness doesn't work that way. It's not a reader's manual for any being Surfer encounters. That's pretty much a kmc myth.

Originally posted by abhilegend
nope, Death Metal made everything canon. That's why current Superman can remember stuff which happened in Silver age.

https://i.postimg.cc/FsDJcYGs/image.jpg

World's Finest 191-193 are silver age comics.

Also:

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Interesting that DC once more showcases that everything is canon - the Ultra Humanite directly references the Purple Plague (Action Comics #19, 1940) and the Atomic Disintegrator (plus multiple bodies, Action Comics #21, 1940):

Superman and the Authority #4, 2021:

Action Comics #19, 1940:

Action Comics #21, 1940:

Originally posted by Astner
No one is arguing that Pre-Crisis Superman isn't canon. But he's a different character altogether. The character we're discussing is Post-Crisis Superman, who's a merger of Pre- and Post New-52 Superman. Those are the feats we go by.

Would Pre-Crisis Superman beat Silver Surfer? Yes. His feats are on a different level altogether, so Silver Surfer's versatility isn't enough to overcome that discrepancy. Now when that's settled, let's get back to the thread.

Originally posted by Smurph
How does cosmic awareness work, Abhi?

Outside of the random Gladiator claim, which he never mentioned was from Cosmic awareness if I recall, just said that he knows Gladiators weakness, its just like a Jedi sensing disturbances in the force, but in the cosmos.

But he also pairs this with high tier super senses.

Surfer himself describes cosmic awareness as knowledge of the workings of the universe.

In Silver Surfer annual 2, he actually makes a list of people he admires for their Cosmic Awareness and lists Prof X, Dr Doom and Dr Strange among them.

But most of what he does as shown, Supes can match far exceed with his senses also, and Supes has also been to here and back all through the multiverse and beyond.

He would be on Surfer's list.

Originally posted by Ambient
Hoollly ! 14th pages alla sudden .

To make sure u can read and comprehend it fully, full pages seem’ed to confused you.

All the same by modulating the energies that powered them they where incapacitated, all it takes is a direct hit and game over. It’s not some kind of brain altering attack - try again.

1 shot is all it will take and it’s game over.

Go on, tell us what's written there.

Originally posted by Juntai
It's the ability to sense great changes at cosmic distances/knowledge of the universe in general.

Outside of the random Gladiator claim, which he never mentioned was from Cosmic awareness if I recall, just said that he knows Gladiators weakness, its just like a Jedi sensing disturbances in the force, but in the cosmos.

But he also pairs this with high tier super senses.

Surfer himself describes cosmic awareness as knowledge of the workings of the universe.

In Silver Surfer annual 2, he actually makes a list of people he admires for their Cosmic Awareness and lists Prof X, Dr Doom and Dr Strange among them.

But most of what he does as shown, Supes can match far exceed with his senses also, and Supes has also been to here and back all through the multiverse and beyond.

He would be on Surfer's list.

That said, cosmic awareness isn't just great changes at cosmic distances but also specific information at either great or close distances. I'm not sure why some posters are trying to box it in to a narrow definition.

Originally posted by abhilegend
In case, you can't read, here's the enlarged image, you ****ing idiot.

Go on, tell us what's written there.

Gay electricity is needed for Wonder Man, Straight for Vision.

Originally posted by Smurph
Supes' own senses are irrelevant to the question of what Surfer can sense about Superman.

That said, cosmic awareness isn't just great changes at cosmic distances but also specific information at either great or close distances. I'm not sure why some posters are trying to box it in to a narrow definition.

It's because it's being turned into Midnighter's battle computer coupled with Nemesis Kid/Darwin's 'I can develop any power', only, amped to the max to become 'I can develop any power to win this battle'.

When Surfer has never done anything like this - the Glads scan is the only example iirc, and even then it's tenuous.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Gay electricity is needed for Wonder Man, Straight for Vision.

😂 😂 😂

Originally posted by Smurph
How does cosmic awareness work, Abhi?

First granted to Captain Mar-Vell by Eon and then Quasar and then to Genis Vell. Surfer's cosmic awareness isn't anything special.