Philosophía
"The devil made me do it"
Originally posted by Ambient
You do know the cause of that time still disturbance right Phil? It’s the time gem man! It froze the Marvel Universe whole, a complete control of time universally as opposed to Surfer’s limited speed induced time stop. Surfers speed just can’t compare to an all out Universal time stop.You left out a tiny but important detail in that Surfers fight with the Runner Phil.
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Surfer is not at full capacity during that fight as he was unknowingly psionically manipulated to like Runner therefore it just can’t be compared.
There is just no way around red herring the time stop feat of Surfer man, it’s completely legit. The movement of the board shows Surfer moving within that time stop, Doom seeing them is after the fact base on the on panel reaction and his surprise statement, “what’s this? The sky riding sentinel has returned already? If he saw them at time of narration, he wouldn’t be surprised to great them outside his castles yard.
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You're confusing the source of the effect with the effect itself. If Batman produces a 1kg rock, or Firestorm produces a 1kg rock -- the rock is still 1kg, and if one can lift the rock, it means he can lift 1kg. If Firestorm removes all of the oxygen on Earth, and you don't require oxygen, you survive. If Lucifer removes all of the oxygen on Earth, you can also survive, because the effect is the same. The 1kg doesn't get 1kg-er. Zero oxygen doesn't get Zero-er. Time doesn't get stopper-er, it stops -- and you can either move in it, or you cannot. Silver Surfer cannot do so, as show on panel.
You've cropped the Doom scan because you want to remove the context, to troll abhi with hyperbolic silver age randomness that nobody takes seriously. There's a few things that we can discern in the full scan:
Doom talks. He stops mid-sentence in the panel he's talking because Surfer comes at 'time stop' the next panel. Thus -- the very obvious silver age hyperbole that can be substituted with "the board comes very fast".
The aforementioned board -- it's it that travels and transports fast to the destination. It is not only not a time stop speed feat, it's not a feat that is pertinent to the Surfer's own speed sans the board.
Furthermore, as Darksaint repeatedly points out, this is not impressive even for travel speed, although if you want to prove that Surfer's board can go near-lightspeed, I guess that's awesome. Or perhaps you want to show that Surfer's board can access hyperspace by exceeding the speed of light, which shortens distances, and which he has beforehand also used to transport the fantastic four, thus the huge energy behind them as they arrive? Also awesome. But we already knew that the board can travel near-lightspeed in normal space and FTL in hyperspace.
But, when Surfer has to physically perform actions, using the board to cover distances, we can see that even in the most dire of circumstances at his utmost limit, he cannot save Shalla and Mantis both from an explosion inside 1 second:
Pertaining to the Runner, again with the cropped scans -- but it's ok, I posted the full ones before. Runner makes people "like" him [that's what the 'psionic manipulation is] but, as shown in the full scan of the cropped panels you posted, Surfer says that he has no affect on the power cosmic - https://ibb.co/Js7HSKJ
Nevertheless Runner directly overpowers him, significantly outspeeds him in every area of the fight, steals his board and essentially humiliates him with his speed and potency, as Surfer is helpless to defend himself.
