Silver Surfer Vs Superman 2022 edition.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Didn't Superman break a [b]full time suspension? [/B]

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Superman overpowered full chrono suspension too.

But uh, Surfer's time stop is superior to all that, because its SURFER!!!

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
It is also weird when you think about it. Superman should have sufficient reaction time to see the radiation is coming and avoid it(which he did in comics) .

But suddenly, we just wave away that possibility and give Surfer a showing that he never did( as far as I know of course) in comics....

Can't speak for other posters. I just wanted context to be revealed. But you can accomplish that without provoking posters. People can make up their own mind if you just post scans.

Also qwertyuiop1998, in case nobody else has brought it up, maybe reread the CBvF rules: http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=461496

Originally posted by Digi
Basic Knowledge
Each side receives basic knowledge of the other. A good measure of this would be what the general population of the character's homeworld knows. For example, that Superman has a weakness to Kryptonite is general knowledge, but that he's Clark Kent is not.

Originally posted by ODG
Also qwertyuiop1998, in case nobody else has brought it up, maybe reread the CBvF rules: http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=461496

There is also a point in the rules(specifically, in the cis part,asking the question I was asking before) that said

-Is it a part of their powerset and has been used occasionally enough (ie, like, a dozen times, maybe) that they won't forget they can use it?
-Can they access this power/ability right now?
-Will not using it cost them the fight?

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
TBH, I think this argument about whether Sufer can sense others' weaknesses wouldn't change much about this fight

In character fighting( this isn't Surfer's go-to move as far as I know), Superman keeps attacking Surfer, Superman possibly can avoid these weakness exploitations, Superman also has great senses(from what I knew, these senses seem pretty on par/very close to with cosmic awareness) and exotic abilities himself can use to attack Surfer etcetcetc

Originally posted by Smurph
I mostly agree. In fact, I think the only thing the Gladiator showing tells us is that Surfer will sometimes think in those tactics, but I agree, not his usual route.

I think it's interesting how that changes depending on how narrowly you apply the full capacity rule but that's not an argument I feel like wading through.

^ OK, let's just ignore the KMC CBvF rules. Digi was just talking out of his a$$ and had no basis for stating that.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Can't see how this is relevant to my original post you replied, or the post you quoted?

There is also a point in the rules(specifically, in the cis part,asking the question I was asking before) that said

So I'm curious, because as far as I know Surfer doesn't meet the first request and other people seem to agree this point

Originally posted by -Pr-

Secondly, in the preboot universe only Kryptonite is well known as a weakness for Superman; though its composition isn't. Red Sunlight isn't, and since the DCNU has come along, neither is that well known.

Originally posted by -Pr-

In short:

No, basic knowledge doesn't give Magneto knowledge about Kryptonite. he knows of it's existence, MAYBE, but his ability to recreate it is a long shot.

general knowledge doesn't include red sun. at all.

Originally posted by Badabing
I also can't see Surfer creating K Nite since it's from another universe or red sun radiation since that isn't what I personally consider common knowledge. Red sun radiation is debatable though.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Show him another mod ruling.

And if we go by mod ruling, then Surfer probably needs to do this more than once for it to become a viable tactic that Surfer will use in battle

"But Pr," you might ask "What if a character has a power that they use more sparingly?". Well, to that I would say:

-Is it a part of their powerset and has been used occasionally enough (ie, like, a dozen times, maybe) that they won't forget they can use it?
-Can they access this power/ability right now?
-Will not using it cost them the fight?

And that right there? That's arguably the most important question.

If the answer to all three of those is yes, then they're most likely going to use the power/ability. Either their opponent can stand up to it, or they can't.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Yeah, there is also point that in the rules said this( which is what I was thinking when I was asking has Surfer done similar things in the past

And if we go by mod ruling, then Surfer probably needs to do this more than once for it to become a viable tactic that Surfer will use in battle

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So we determine things by FEATS.

Yet can't show Surfer using DNA scanning and acting on it in battle, or using cosmic awareness to pinpoint energy wavelength weaknesses and acting on it.

Hulk and gamma radiation? Wonder Man and ionic radiation? Gladiator and Strontian radiation? Symphira and solar radiation?

You're talking about a High Herald whose Cosmic Awareness can near instantaneously figure out that a refugee world contains six billion inhabitants who are genetically different from each other?

You're talking about a High Herald who simultaneously transwarped three billion space vessels to find an adaptive world that could support those same six billion different refugees?

Look, Superman is an exception in many ways but stop pretending that everyone and their mother doesn't exploit his weaknesses. If you cannot do that, at least be honest and stop pretending that it's beyond a Cosmically Aware High Herald's ability to do so. Superman's greatest foe is Lex Luthor, ffs. Talk about missing the forest for the trees.

Originally posted by ODG
I started to read this thread that has blown up, but had to come to complete screeching halt when this particular post stuck out to me and I cannot ignore it. Maybe others have addressed it already but, bruh, Surfer has those feats. Are you kidding me?

Hulk and gamma radiation? Wonder Man and ionic radiation? Gladiator and Strontian radiation? Symphira and solar radiation?

You're talking about a High Herald whose Cosmic Awareness can near instantaneously figure out that a refugee world contains six billion inhabitants who are genetically different from each other?

You're talking about a High Herald who simultaneously transwarped three billion space vessels to find an adaptive world that could support those same six billion different refugees?

Look, Superman is an exception in many ways but stop pretending that everyone and their mother doesn't exploit his weaknesses. If you cannot do that, at least be honest and stop pretending that it's beyond a Cosmically Aware High Herald's ability to do so. Superman's greatest foe is Lex Luthor, ffs. Talk about missing the forest for the trees.

O.K.

Originally posted by ODG
I started to read this thread that has blown up, but had to come to complete screeching halt when this particular post stuck out to me and I cannot ignore it. Maybe others have addressed it already but, bruh, Surfer has those feats. Are you kidding me?

Hulk and gamma radiation? Wonder Man and ionic radiation? Gladiator and Strontian radiation? Symphira and solar radiation?

You're talking about a High Herald whose Cosmic Awareness can near instantaneously figure out that a refugee world contains six billion inhabitants who are genetically different from each other?

You're talking about a High Herald who simultaneously transwarped three billion space vessels to find an adaptive world that could support those same six billion different refugees?

Look, Superman is an exception in many ways but stop pretending that everyone and their mother doesn't exploit his weaknesses. If you cannot do that, at least be honest and stop pretending that it's beyond a Cosmically Aware High Herald's ability to do so. Superman's greatest foe is Lex Luthor, ffs. Talk about missing the forest for the trees.

Cool.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But time stop does not mean FTL speed.if anything, it just needs less than lightspeed.

So by the time he enacts it, he's been punched in the face, which he has shown plenty of vulnerability to before.

Not only does he have the reaction but also the durability to fend of physical attack from the likes of Superman.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Wrong again idiot, Superman was caught unaware in Superman 61. He moved freely in the timestop next time.

You're so desperate lol

Here’s what happens when it’s not the case.

So who’s desperate now? 🙄

- That make it two instances that Superman make like a statue during time stop .

Originally posted by ODG
I started to read this thread that has blown up, but had to come to complete screeching halt when this particular post stuck out to me and I cannot ignore it. Maybe others have addressed it already but, bruh, Surfer has those feats. Are you kidding me?

Hulk and gamma radiation? Wonder Man and ionic radiation? Gladiator and Strontian radiation? Symphira and solar radiation?

Have to laugh at this. LMFAO

You're talking about a High Herald whose Cosmic Awareness can near instantaneously figure out that a refugee world contains six billion inhabitants who are genetically different from each other?

Oh no, really?

You're talking about a High Herald who simultaneously transwarped three billion space vessels to find an adaptive world that could support those same six billion different refugees?

No, really?

Look, Superman is an exception in many ways but stop pretending that everyone and their mother doesn't exploit his weaknesses. If you cannot do that, at least be honest and stop pretending that it's beyond a Cosmically Aware High Herald's ability to do so. Superman's greatest foe is Lex Luthor, ffs. Talk about missing the forest for the trees.

😂

The sheer petulance in this post "Why are you guys not saying Surfer wins here, he's so awesome and powerful and, and Superman gets beaten by Lex Luthor....."

Originally posted by Ambient
That might hold true for the flashes in DC but since we are discussing a specific character - case of Surfer to which every time he need manipulate time thru speed it’s always been FTL. Not less but faster light speed.

Not only does he have the reaction but also the durability to fend of physical attack from the likes of Superman.

The reason he was able to move in that time stop is because they made it so he can move, a supposed arrange meet up with Waverider. Silly Abhi! Caught you in a lie…

Here’s what happens when it’s not the case.

So who’s desperate now? 🙄

- That make it two instances that Superman make like a statue during time stop .

Second scan is a stasis field, not a time stop (Superman can still talk but can't move ".

Like I said, currently even Superboy can overpower total time freeze and Superman already overpowered full chrono suspension.

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Superman overpowered full chrono suspension too.

Learn to ****ing read.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
So the answer is, "no you I have".

O.K.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Its basically "Damnit, how dare you question me and cosmically aware Silver surfer for feats".

Originally posted by abhilegend
Hey idiot, that's not even the same issue where you pull this scan from? Booster doesn't appear in Superman 73.

Second scan is a stasis field, not a time stop (Superman can still talk but can't move ".

Like I said, currently even Superboy can overpower total time freeze and Superman already overpowered full chrono suspension.

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Superman overpowered full chrono suspension too.

Learn to ****ing read.

Need to read them issue Abhi and come back when you’re done.

All the same; he can scream then while his getting the beat down . Need to read at them words Abhi, specifically what Waverider says.

Nope slow chrono suspension and if you find that scan read it. You’ll find that Supes himself states that he would def be in suspended animation if he doesn’t act quickly.

Originally posted by Ambient
😂

Need to read them issue Abhi and come back when you’re done.

All the same; he can scream then while his getting the beat down . Need to read at them words Abhi, specifically what Waverider says.

Nope slow chrono suspension and if you find that scan read it. You’ll find that Supes himself states that he would def be in suspended animation if he doesn’t act quickly.

Here's Superman 73, let me know where Booster Gold appears in the comic?

https://readcomiconline.li/Comic/Superman-1987/Issue-73?id=16735

Do let us know what Waverider said, idiot?

What the **** is a slow chrono suspension? The new god said he should already be suspended indefinitely but Superman broke out of it.

Still ignoring Superboy breaking out of the time freeze I see lol.

Nope slow chrono suspension

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Neither is what the scan says nor is that makes sense since suspension=stoppage