Who in marvel is powerful enough to beat COIE Anti Monitor

Started by DarkSaint8511 pages

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Yeah, but I think aside from the point that proves AM can summon waves at whim, the previous bio I posted(and multiple other on-panel sources refer to AM's universes-consuming ability, for example: https://ibb.co/BK9ZN94) seems also cements the notion AM can create universe-busting waves.

As for the antimatter cannon, from what I can recall now, it wasn't finished in the first place and Barry broke it before AM had a chance to use the cannon.
The reason AM tried to build it in the first place is because Monitor created a universe to escape AM's antimatter waves IIRC

So I think it's entirely possible that AM only tried to use antimatter cannon due to the fact the remaining universes were hosted in Monitor's personal universe, not necessarily mean AM used the machine to create antimatter waves that destroyed universes

Qwerty already said as much on page4. Astner was going to re-read as he was at work.

So, the Monitor was weaker than Antimonitor, though they were equal once he was already weaker as the story kicks off... all through the series he's looking weaker and more frail, and as his dying move, he creates a new dimension and moves 5 universes and their entire timelines into it.

Star level. lol.

Originally posted by Juntai
So, the Monitor was weaker than Antimonitor, though they were equal once he was already weaker as the story kicks off... all through the series he's looking weaker and more frail, and as his dying move, he creates a new dimension and moves 5 universes and their entire timelines into it.

Star level. lol.


Yeah, even harbinger moved three universes and she was given a portion of his powers lol

Star level Monitor creates a nether verse to contain two universes.

This is what saved them from Anti Monitor.

Planet level Harbinger moves three universes.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Star level Monitor creates a nether verse to contain two universes.

This is what saved them from Anti Monitor.

Planet level Harbinger moves three universes.


That was part of what saved them, and this.

Originally posted by Juntai
The Anti-Matter Cannon has more to do with the fact that Monitor moved the remaining universes and their entire timelines to a new dimension he created that Antimonitor couldnt get to and then were fortified against Anti-Matter by Monitors devices that were placed through eras of timespace to halt the Antimatter.

https://imgur.com/gallery/RM035RB

Originally posted by MrMind
he stalemated the monitor backed by the multiverse for a million year

star level my ass, even weakened he survived galaxy wiping attack no problem

Here's the thing. There are arguments and there are facts.

While we all insist on certain arguments, there are several undeniable facts that people keep dancing around:

1) Monitor stalemated Anti-Monitor for a million years.
2) Monitor would feel pangs of weakness/deterioration when a universe was consumed into the antimatter universe.
3) Supergirl straight-up pummeled Anti-Monitor so badly, his physical form was destroyed and he had to flee.
4) Anti-Monitor absorbed the suffused antimatter universe to travel back to the beginning of time.
5) Anti-Monitor outright stated that he exhausted those energies and, therefore, had to wait for the heroes to also travel there to use the heroes' energies to manipulate creation.
6) Anti-Monitor drew on the power of a sun at the end of COIE to keep fighting.

A lot of you appear to conflate facts #1 & 2 as if that automatically elevates both the Monitor and the Anti-Monitor to multiversal powers. As if, one or two positive matter universe exists = Monitor possesses one or two universes' worth of power within himself.

That conclusion doesn't necessarily flow from those facts. It could very well be that the Monitor can draw relative amounts of power from the relative amounts of positive matter universes that exist. He's connected to them, yes, his power is relative to them, yes, is his power equal to them? No, not necessarily. That's a rather puerile suggestion given the rest of the story. Moreover...

That conclusion is also contradicted by the other facts. Because if Monitor and Anti-Monitor are waging war with powers via a zero sum game, there's no way that Supergirl could have punched him to near destruction.

For Supergirl to have achieved a beatdown of a multiversal Anti-Monitor, she'd have to be multiversal+. More than that, such a premise would defy the law of conservation. If Supergirl were beating the sh1t out of Anti-Monitor to the point where he's exhausted, this multiversal+ Supergirl would have basically destroyed a near multiversal amount of energies from the suffused antimatter universe.

Whether or not you think the DC multiverse was a truly infinite multiverse or a thousand universes, etc. That's utterly absurd.

So ask yourself, does it make more or less sense that the vaunted Monitor & Anti-Monitor tap into, rather than internally possess entire universes' worth of power? Because when you look at Supergirl, or Anti-Monitor's repeated reliance on technology, or Anti-Monitor getting pummeled by Qward thunderers, the answer should be fecking obvious.

It's basically "Supergirl did it so all other feats are invalid" lol.

Truly dumb.

you see
when voidtry owned molecule man, it was how powerful sentry/void was
or when thor killed an amped galactus, it was how powerful cosmic thor was

but
when a pre crisis kryptonian did it, anti-monitor was weaksauce.

It’s because the rest of us can see the feats and combat feats/wins of Superman, E2 Superman, Supergirl and Superboy Prime and realize “it be like that sometimes”.

Originally posted by Juntai
It’s because the rest of us can see the feats and combat feats/wins of Superman, E2 Superman, Supergirl and Superboy Prime and realize “it be like that sometimes”.

Yeah

Originally posted by MrMind
you see
when voidtry owned molecule man, it was how powerful sentry/void was
There is a literal mod ruling about Void, Sentry and Molecule Man. Could you have picked a more self-defeating example?
Originally posted by MrMind
or when thor killed an amped galactus, it was how powerful cosmic thor was
I cannot recall a single poster who acts like Cosmic King Thor is more powerful than amped Galactus. Everyboidy understood that Galactus inadvertently gave Cosmic King Thor a backdoor to the Power Cosmic to turn him into a bomb.
Originally posted by MrMind
but
when a pre crisis kryptonian did it, anti-monitor was weaksauce.
Originally posted by Juntai
It’s because the rest of us can see the feats and combat feats/wins of Superman, E2 Superman, Supergirl and Superboy Prime and realize “it be like that sometimes”.
If your only coherent response is: "B-b-b-but, cuz Superman!?!" then so be it.

Just don't pretend it's an actual argument or makes sense within the narrative of the story.

except superman being dc's narrative is literally what dc was saying, in doomsday clock

^ Your twisted bastardization of Doomsday Clock notwithstanding, Supergirl beat the sh1t out of Anti-Monitor.

Doomsday Cock issue 69:

Originally posted by DeadpoolXXX
the other death of superman.

Originally posted by ODG
^ Your twisted bastardization of Doomsday Clock notwithstanding, Supergirl beat the sh1t out of Anti-Monitor.

well you are the one brought up superman

If your only coherent response is: "B-b-b-but, cuz Superman!?!" then so be it.

Just don't pretend it's an actual argument or makes sense within the narrative of the story.

^ Sure, blame me for what qwertyuiop1998, DeadpoolXXX, Juntai, LordGod, Darksaint did in this thread pages before my rebuke of same.

So long as we all agree it isn't an argument.

Originally posted by ODG
There is a literal mod ruling about Void, Sentry and Molecule Man. Could you have picked a more self-defeating example?
I cannot recall a single poster who acts like Cosmic King Thor is more powerful than amped Galactus. Everyboidy understood that Galactus inadvertently gave Cosmic King Thor a backdoor to the Power Cosmic to turn him into a bomb. If your only coherent response is: "B-b-b-but, cuz Superman!?!" then so be it.

Just don't pretend it's an actual argument or makes sense within the narrative of the story.

I wouldn't say EVERYBODY understood that.....I recall Dambo and Leo/Stoic, maybe even Carv saying Thor was just that powerful....

Originally posted by ODG
^ Sure, blame me for what qwertyuiop1998, DeadpoolXXX, Juntai, LordGod, Darksaint did in this thread pages before my rebuke of same.

So long as we all agree it isn't an argument.

In fairness, that's on me - page one I said Superman punched him really hard

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I wouldn't say EVERYBODY understood that.....I recall Dambo and Leo/Stoic, maybe even Carv saying Thor was just that powerful....
Originally posted by ODG

Well..... critical thinking isn't our forum's strong point, sometimes.

Add celey to that list. It was quite the hullabaloo.