Superman/Martian Manhunter vs Silver Surfer/Thor (average versions)

No bfr. These characters are operating at their daily levels. On average levels that we see consistently. Anything depicted as something that is above their average diaplayed power level can not be used here. Who's taking this? If you post a scan of Surfer turning a Herald into ants, you have to prove that it's within his normal, everyday power level to do. Same with super speed, if you claim that MMH will fight Surfer constantly at nano second speeds, we need proof of him doing this on a consistent bases.

How would you define and prove 'consistent' basis? Honest and serious question here.

Superman is the only one who displays consistent superspeed with a consistent strength advantage over either Thor or Surfer (Thor is consistent with strength and lightning, Surfer is usually just energy blasts).

J'onn is useless.

Originally posted by carver9
No bfr. These characters are operating at their daily levels. On average levels that we see consistently. Anything depicted as something that is above their average diaplayed power level can not be used here. Who's taking this? If you post a scan of Surfer turning a Herald into ants, you have to prove that it's within his normal, everyday power level to do. Same with super speed, if you claim that MMH will fight Surfer constantly at nano second speeds, we need proof of him doing this on a consistent bases.

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Originally posted by DarkSaint85
How would you define and prove 'consistent' basis? Honest and serious question here.

All you have to do is go by how the characters are displayed in comics on a consistent basis. Thor would go hammer cuff most of the fight with some lightning, Surfer usually is a blaster who uses a little versatility most of the time, Superman is a brawler who sometimes uses heat vision bit almost never use ice breath.

Originally posted by carver9
Superman is a brawler who sometimes uses heat vision bit almost never use ice breath.

Originally posted by -Pr-

Lmmfao

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
That....basically shows you know nothing about the characters you're talking about.....

So he doesn't brawl most of the time in comics? Maybe I'm wrong and we can debate it. Who are you going for?

Originally posted by carver9
So he doesn't brawl most of the time in comics? Maybe I'm wrong and we can debate it. Who are you going for?

"But Pr," you might ask "What if a character has a power that they use more sparingly?". Well, to that I would say:

-Is it a part of their powerset and has been used occasionally enough (ie, like, a dozen times, maybe) that they won't forget they can use it?
-Can they access this power/ability right now?
-Will not using it cost them the fight?

And that right there? That's arguably the most important question.

If the answer to all three of those is yes, then they're most likely going to use the power/ability. Either their opponent can stand up to it, or they can't.

Is that simple enough? I mean, what else do you really need to know?

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t461496.html

Superman has used HV and freeze breath well beyond dozen times, and it's just counting the post-crisis/COIE onward comics

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Well going by the rule that says a power that used like a dozen times is enough to say the character will use the ability in a fihgt

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t461496.html

Superman has used HV and freeze breath well beyond dozen times, and it's just counting the post-crisis/COIE onward comics

Lol... I never said that he won't use heat vision or ice breath, but he would approach the fight more often in a brawling fashion. Also, thanks for the quote from PR saying a scene needs to be done at least a dozen times for it to be a legitimate ability for the character. I know someone on here that use a showing that happens once as credibility for the character(s) natural abilities. You've helped me and don't even know it.

Originally posted by carver9
Lol... I never said that he won't use heat vision or ice breath, but he would approach the fight more often in a brawling fashion.

Originally posted by carver9
Superman is a brawler who sometimes uses heat vision bit almost never use ice breath.

And according to the rule. Superman uses his HV/FB actually is a consistent thing in character

Originally posted by carver9
Superman is a brawler who sometimes uses heat vision bit almost never use ice breath.

Originally posted by carver9
All you have to do is go by how the characters are displayed in comics on a consistent basis. Thor would go hammer cuff most of the fight with some lightning, Surfer usually is a blaster who uses a little versatility most of the time, Superman is a brawler who sometimes uses heat vision bit almost never use ice breath.

What is YOUR definition of 'consistent'? 'A dozen times' is mentioned in the rules - but how often has Hulk (as an example) gone WBH? Not trying to trap you, am trying to use examples so you'd understand. How often has Storm, since the 70s, flash frozen someone?

How often has Surfer actually used someone's radiation weakness against another? Not even just threatened.

In short, how are you defining average and consistent?

Originally posted by Astner
To be fair, neither Heat Vision and his Ice Breath would faze Silver Surfer or Thor, both of whom have withstood more extreme temperatures. The only one in this fight that would succumb to either (particularly Heat Vision) would be J'onn, and he's on Superman's team.

Hot enough to make Astner start touching himself in public 👆

OFF THE SCALE

Originally posted by h1a8
How hot do you believe Superman's hv can be?

Superman states that his Heat Vision can't make the core of the Earth hotter than it is.

- Justice League (2016) #3

Wraith states that the max heat of Superman's Heat Vision is 5,000 degrees.

- Superman Unchained (2013) #4

Originally posted by h1a8
His freeze breath has frozen Bizarro (who is definitely not weaker than Thor).

Originally posted by Astner
Based off official values? roughly 5,000 degrees.

Superman states that his Heat Vision can't make the core of the Earth hotter than it is.

- Justice League (2016) #3

Wraith states that the max heat of Superman's Heat Vision is 5,000 degrees.

- Superman Unchained (2013) #4

...it's ice. Not magic ice either. Thor would walk through it as if it was foam.

His Heat Vision cancels out the absolut zero temperatures of Captain Cold’s gun.
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/HVAbsoluteZero.jpg

Originally posted by Astner
Based off official values? roughly 5,000 degrees.

Superman states that his Heat Vision can't make the core of the Earth hotter than it is.

- Justice League (2016) #3

Wraith states that the max heat of Superman's Heat Vision is 5,000 degrees.

- Superman Unchained (2013) #4

...it's ice. Not magic ice either. Thor would walk through it as if it was foam.

Ice can be harder than steel depending on the temperature and pressure of it.
You are only familiar with common ice that's a little below 0 degrees. Celsius.

Plus this is comic alien ice, just as potent as magic ice.
Freezing Bizarro and WW are its feats.