Superman/Martian Manhunter vs Silver Surfer/Thor (average versions)

Originally posted by carver9
I see what you're saying. There's different levels to this, though, but I get your point.

So, if you make a thread where average showings are "in" and low showings are "out", you still need a mechanism to distinguish a low showing.

So, per your own thread, if Surfer operates at a given level 5+ times, that no longer represents his low/high, that's now just his average.

Originally posted by Smurph
Yeah, there are levels. There are low showings that everybody would agree on because it's so blatant and then there are showings that are debatably somewhere between low and average.

So, if you make a thread where average showings are "in" and low showings are "out", you still need a mechanism to distinguish a low showing.

So, per your own thread, if Surfer operates at a given level 5+ times, that no longer represents his low/high, that's now just his average.

And I'm ok with that, but looking at Superman averages when it comes to combat showings, Damage fits right there in between the average and highs based off his showings. Shadowdragon would be a low, not Damage.

Originally posted by abhilegend
According to carver, Poison ivy>Justice League.

Yep, I believe Damage isn't as powerful as Hulk, BUT if Damage fought Hulk and did extremely well against him, it would NOT be a low showing for Hulk since Damage has proven himself.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So two feats and a statement is enough to be consistent for him?

Ding ding ding, we have a winner.

If two feats are all that's needed to establish an average, Damage gets KOd by Ivy and Congorilla. I don't even need to bring his showing against Batman up.

Which means his average is either getting stomped by a King Kong wannabe, or stomping Wonder Woman. And round and round we go......

Damage average far exceeds his lows. He's not Hulk level but he WILL give Hulk a good fight based off his fts.

Originally posted by carver9
Damage average far exceeds his lows. He's not Hulk level but he WILL give Hulk a good fight based off his fts.

What do you mean by your first sentence?
He has more showings that contradict his low showings?
For example, he has 3 showings that contradict the 2 low showings?

What determines what far exceeds something else?
Number of showings?

Originally posted by h1a8
What do you mean by your first sentence?
He has more showings that contradict his low showings?
For example, he has 3 showings that contradict the 2 low showings?

What determines what far exceeds something else?
Number of showings?

Damage has 1 low showing, the rest of his fts is either high Herald or above.

Originally posted by carver9
Damage has 1 low showing, the rest of his fts is either high Herald or above.

Really?

Originally posted by carver9
Damage average far exceeds his lows. He's not Hulk level but he WILL give Hulk a good fight based off his fts.

How many showings does he need to establish an average, if Surfer - who has 100x Damage's showings - needs 5?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Really?

How many showings does he need to establish an average, if Surfer - who has 100x Damage's showings - needs 5?

Yes
It's dependant on the character. He's not in this thread, so my 10 to 12 doesn't matter. Looking at his averages, he's comfortably high herald/elite.

Originally posted by carver9
Damage has 1 low showing, the rest of his fts is either high Herald or above.

So it's the number of showings.
1 vs all high Herald or above showings

Originally posted by h1a8
So it's the number of showings.
1 vs all high Herald or above showings

No, it's consistency. Damage has consistently looked great on panel. Even his statements are top tier, like Wonder Woman saying he's stronger than Superman, Superman saying he hits harder than anyone's he's faced, and even saying he punch harder than Doomsday.

Originally posted by carver9
Yes
It's dependant on the character. He's not in this thread, so my 10 to 12 doesn't matter. Looking at his averages, he's comfortably high herald/elite.

Whether he's in the thread or not doesn't matter. What is consistency, to you - that's my question.

Originally posted by carver9
No, it's consistency. Damage has consistently looked great on panel. Even his statements are top tier, like Wonder Woman saying he's stronger than Superman, Superman saying he hits harder than anyone's he's faced, and even saying he punch harder than Doomsday.

But you said he had 1 low showing. The rest are all high and average showings. Those were your words.

So why did your answer my question with a NO?

Originally posted by carver9
Yep, I believe Damage isn't as powerful as Hulk, BUT if Damage fought Hulk and did extremely well against him, it would NOT be a low showing for Hulk since Damage has proven himself.

Originally posted by carver9
Hulk wins this, and honestly, easily. Superman doesnt have a solid win under his belt. People like Frankenstein have stalemated and actually koed him. Author have given him fits. Damage, etc... etc... if we are using combat showing, Hulk would probably cave his head in during the first blow.

Originally posted by h1a8
But you said he had 1 low showing. The rest are all high and average showings. Those were your words.

So why did your answer my question with a NO?

Meant to say, yes.

Originally posted by abhilegend

I probably said that because of Philo trolling about beating Hulk while blindfolded. That's usually the case, you low ball, I then counter your low ball and you get upset. Works every single time.

Originally posted by carver9
His averages is stomping the JLA, merking Wonder Woman, even having Wonder Woman saying Damage is stronger than Superman. His showings are pretty high. I'll ask again, why is Damage a low?

I mean, if we ignore statements (because you don't like using statements, as you have said many times) then he only has two high showings

Against this, Poison Ivy KOd him with normal vines. A King Kong wannabe (your words, not mine) one shotting him. Batman dancing around him and taking his punches with only broken ribs. Getting overwhelmed by random monsters ( who weren't trying to hurt them).....

But you will take his average as being JLA beating, WW merking, HH and above. This is why I am saying it seems weird.