Superman/Martian Manhunter vs Silver Surfer/Thor (average versions)

Originally posted by carver9
Surfer getting choked out by a snake is a low. A.V.E.R.A.G.E OR H.I.G.H. SHOWINGS ONLY. Erase lows from your skull.

Superman getting ran over by a tractor is a low showing, Hulk snake, Wolverine dear, Thanos Mexican, Thor falling from a building and dying, low. They are not welcomed in any thread, so don't use them here. Averages, Hulk punching a continental size meteor across space, Hulk bending secondary adamantium, Hulk throwing Fing Fang to the moon. High showings, Hulk shaking Earth in fist fights, Hulk cracking Thor skull in a single punch, Hulk tanking a scream that destroyed nearby stars, Hulk destroying a Universe in his fight against Night Crawler. The fts that are acceptable here, Averages, the fts that is also acceptable here, highs AS LONG AS YOU PROVIDE PROOF THAT HE DONE THESE HIGHS AT LEAST 5 TO 10 TIMES. If you can not provide proof that the highs has been done at least 5 to 10 times, then you will stick only to average showings. Example, I mention Surfer wins by blasting Superman to sleep with his powerful blasts. These are his average showings. Dark say, naah, that's not going to happen because Superman will blitz Surfer throughout the entire fight at nano second speeds. I ask for combat showings of Superman combating at light speeds but you can only show me 1 scan of him doing this (since combating at light speed is obviously a high showing). If you can't give me at least 10 instances of him combating at 186000 mps, then it's unusable. High showings are acceptable as long as you can provide evidence of him doing it on panel more than 5 or more. Averages, all fts are acceptable, lows are not acceptable at all.

If these 'low' showings happen more than 5 times for Surfer, then it's his average.

It isn't a low. It cannot be. This is as per your definition of what an average is - happens 5 times, not a low, it's an average.

DarkSaint may be your father, Carv, but he ain't your daddy 😍

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
If these 'low' showings happen more than 5 times for Surfer, then it's his average.

It isn't a low. It cannot be. This is as per your definition of what an average is - happens 5 times, not a low, it's an average.

If you're calling them low showings and referencing them as such, they don't belong here.

Yes it can be. If you know a snake choking out Surfer is a low, don't use it. Lol... you're even referencing them as low showings, but you're still arguing them as averages. 🤣🤣🤣

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
DarkSaint may be your father, Carv, but he ain't your daddy 😍

Can I be your daddy 😏

Originally posted by carver9
If you're calling them low showings and referencing them as such, they don't belong here.

Yes it can be. If you know a snake choking out Surfer is a low, don't use it. Lol... you're even referencing them as low showings, but you're still arguing them as averages. 🤣🤣🤣

That's why I put them in quote marks....once a level is shown to happen 5 times for Surfer, that's his average now. It's not a high, it's not a low, it's average.

And for the same thing to happen to Superman/Thor, we'd need 10 showings of that level to be the new average.

You know this is going to be music to abhi once he wakes up, lol. He's going to spam Surfer falling from orbit onto random forcefields and getting KOd, several times, and it's going to be the new average (not low, not high). He's going to spam rocks falling on Thor and stuff like that. Hell, we already have a thread with multiple occurrences with the Slowdinson - not just 10 showings, an entire thread.

Not attacking you as such - am simply pointing out that this is what your post and thread is leading us to.

Originally posted by Astner
No, I'm explaining why it's not a grounded interpretation of the source material.

Under atmospheric conditions ice has a hardness of 2.5 Mohs, which is notably lower than the hardness of steel, which I corrected you on.

If you want to discuss a particular feat, then post it. I know you won't, because the feats you refer to occur under atmospheric conditions. The fact that it incapacitated Bizarro or Wonder Woman doesn't change the fact that it's ice, it just means that Bizarro and Wonder Women weren't particularly impressive in those stories.

There's no one such showing in this thread.

Atmospheric conditions? How when the ice was far colder than the atmosphere? You make no sense.

And Ice is solid water. You know, H2O.
Superman doesn't blow just ice (if any) out of his mouth. He blows out extremely cold air. That means mostly nitrogen. The so called ice you believe that surrounded WW and Bizarro is mostly solid nitrogen. And nitrogen can be a solid under normal atmosphere pressure for temps 0K - 63K.
And who's to say that it was ONLY the surrounding solid that held them?
It could be their bodies actually being frozen from making contact with the air in addition to the surrounding solid.

Lastly, if a writer wants normal ice (which isn't in this case) to be both cold and strong enough to hold high class 100 level beings then he has the artistic license to make ice that cold to be that strong. If you try to use science to refute his intent then all feats should be inadmissible (by the same standards) because they shit on real science on a daily.
And if want to argue that all (or nearly all) feats are inadmissible then you are in fact trolling and derailing the threads here.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
That's why I put them in quote marks....once a level is shown to happen 5 times for Surfer, that's his average now. It's not a high, it's not a low, it's average.

And for the same thing to happen to Superman/Thor, we'd need 10 showings of that level to be the new average.

You know this is going to be music to abhi once he wakes up, lol. He's going to spam Surfer falling from orbit onto random forcefields and getting KOd, several times, and it's going to be the new average (not low, not high). He's going to spam rocks falling on Thor and stuff like that. Hell, we already have a thread with multiple occurrences with the Slowdinson - not just 10 showings, an entire thread.

Not attacking you as such - am simply pointing out that this is what your post and thread is leading us to.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Both Thor and Surfer were knocked out by some mud slugs.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16263306/SSANN98_14a.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16263307/SSANN98_14b.jpg.html

Plastic man owns both of them!!!

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
That's why I put them in quote marks....once a level is shown to happen 5 times for Surfer, that's his average now. It's not a high, it's not a low, it's average.

And for the same thing to happen to Superman/Thor, we'd need 10 showings of that level to be the new average.

You know this is going to be music to abhi once he wakes up, lol. He's going to spam Surfer falling from orbit onto random forcefields and getting KOd, several times, and it's going to be the new average (not low, not high). He's going to spam rocks falling on Thor and stuff like that. Hell, we already have a thread with multiple occurrences with the Slowdinson - not just 10 showings, an entire thread.

Not attacking you as such - am simply pointing out that this is what your post and thread is leading us to.

Nope, it's not. I'm not insulting you either. Most people on here know what a low showing is.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Better yet, I get both Thor/Surfer in one showing lol.

Abhi, remember:

Originally posted by carver9
Averages =

5 times or more for Surfer

10 for Supes and Thor who has far more showings than Surfer. FAR more.

Surfer is cosmic Martian Manhunter and Thor is Asgardian Martian Manhunter. 😂

tldr;

Are we still arguing that countering Captain Cold's gun requires infinite energy or are we well past that?

Originally posted by carver9
Nope, it's not. I'm not insulting you either. Most people on here know what a low showing is.

Well you certainly do; you post them enough.

Originally posted by ODG
tldr;

Are we still arguing that countering Captain Cold's gun requires infinite energy or are we well past that?

Other comics write that off by claiming the energy source is from another dimension.

Originally posted by ODG
tldr;

Are we still arguing that countering Captain Cold's gun requires infinite energy or are we well past that?

Should've been well past that; I counter absolute zero on a daily basis.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Well you certainly do; you post them enough.

No, Pr, we have a new ruling so get with the programme.

If a showing can be repeated ~10 times for someone like Superman, it's not an outlier showing anymore; it's his average now.

This goes for both high and low showings. And for someone like Surfer, abhi only needs 5 showings before it is his average.

Isn't the whole deal about Cold that his gun somehow, as nonsensical as it sounds, generates temperates below absolute zero?

Yeah but he was going easy on Superman there. Only Storm can do it on panel.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Should've been well past that; I counter absolute zero on a daily basis.

No, Pr, we have a new ruling so get with the programme.

If a showing can be repeated ~10 times for someone like Superman, it's not an outlier showing anymore; it's his average now.

This goes for both high and low showings. And for someone like Surfer, abhi only needs 5 showings before it is his average.

Just highs. Don't know why you keep saying lows. Just highs, buddy. I've said this multiple times and you still want to talk about lows. Cocaine is a hell of a drug.

Originally posted by carver9
Just highs. Don't know why you keep saying lows. Just highs, buddy. I've said this multiple times and you still want to talk about lows. Cocaine is a hell of a drug.

Why does your logic only work for one but not the other?

Because low showings are not acceptable on the forum, and it's not acceptable here.

It's more like "how do you define a low showing" rather than "low showings are not acceptable" here

How do you separate them from "average". Because, per your defition, a similar showing happens 10/5 times will become average

So if Surfer gets put down by rocks. It happens 5 times, then, per your defition, it is his average, now low