Originally posted by zopzopTo be fair, the previous reality was dying and all the stars had gone mad and galaxies were being wiped out, the Endless were on the verge of non-existence, and Dream and Desire(posing as an aspect of Dream) gathered up the thousand remaining concepts and creatures and gods and Dream asked Hope to lead them to dream of a better universe, and then he dragged that reality out of that dream and rewrote reality, time and Destiny’s book entirely. All while extremely weak.
Let's recap. You are seriously comparing Beyonder at half power, erasing an abstract concept from Marvel's multiverse and even the combined power of Marvel's abstracts that included the LT couldn't stop him from doing it or bring Death back to a noob with a spellbook imprisoning Dream of the Endless and Dream was helpless to stop it or escape?Nice try.
And at that very moment as he was finishing that, the spell to capture him(meant to capture Death) trapped him.
Originally posted by ODGby all means, actually try adding something to the discussion. That’s why I said let’s have a conversation, but all you’ve done is like a half a dozen posts of crying. Must be drunk again.
^ I might even respect ABC logic if they decided to accept each character's history. At least you could have some sort of conversation about that.At this point though, this is their argument:
Fanboy interpretation of Lucifer vol.1 + one panel of Lucifer vol.2 - the entireties of Lucifer vols. 2 & 3 x Grant Morrison's Final Crisis cosmology = Michael infinitely beyond Beyonder???????
But let’s keep in context that while talking about Michael and Lucifer, even though the Sandman characters are steeped in fable and fairy tale that we’re talking about beings more powerful than characters that someone wielding a fraction of their power can be used create and warp and combine many timelines at once, by their own admission. Which was that point of that other post you’re pissy about.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But then MrMind is also a (potential) Communist CCP spy who(potentially)definitely likes poop during sex, so...... trying to fathom such a mind is impossible.
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daddy Xi is gonna be pleased
Originally posted by zopzop
That scan confirms what happened in SWII and the handbook entry. The cosmic entities were begging Beyonder not to kill Death. Death's death is even mentioned in her damn handbook entry too. All this post retcon.That scan confirmed the SWII and Handbook entries. It also confirmed that the Beyonders are abstract killers. They were capable of destroying their Celestial creators (who just happened to create the multiverse).
No matter of handbooks are gonna change it.
Originally posted by ODGyou can’t argue in bad faith until you actually provide an argument. But this isn’t an argument either, it’s a discussion.
Well, I was just trying to add two more volumes of appearances by the Vertigo Lucifer/Yahweh/Michael to the discussion.Apparently, I'm the one who is arguing in bad faith? crackers
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
😂Mind, tell us when Daddy Xi is planning to officially confront & defeat Abhi the Legend.
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i got trolled
xi is pissed, i'm currently in his dungeon.
Originally posted by abhilegend
No, it doesn't lol. Death was never killed by Beyonder post FF 319. The cosmic forces of the multiverse only let him believe it happened.No matter of handbooks are gonna change it.
Originally posted by JuntaiI provided my deconstruction of MrMind's reasoning on the previous page. That is what I was arguing against.
you can’t argue in bad faith until you actually provide an argument. But this isn’t an argument either, it’s a discussion.
I know it wasn't your argument and you hopefully disagree with it. But all you've otherwise done is suggest that I won't accept cosmology for DC's cosmic side and magic side. When did I ever reject DC's evolving cosmologies?
I'm being accused of not appreciating Lucifer/Yahweh/Michael because I'd rather discuss Lucifer/Yahweh/Michael and their primary appearances throughout Lucifer vol.1-3.
I'm somehow not doing it right because I need to first fit the square pegs of Final Crisis or Dark Crisis into the round hole of Sandman: Overture. That's just you taking four steps backwards from the actual topic at hand and whining as to why I keep getting farther and farther off-topic.
That is not my fault, bruh. That isn't an argument either. And I don't know what discussion you're expecting to have about Michael when we ignore two volumes worth of his appearances.
Originally posted by zopzop
Let's recap. You are seriously comparing Beyonder at half power, erasing an abstract concept from Marvel's multiverse and even the combined power of Marvel's abstracts that included the LT couldn't stop him from doing it or bring Death back to a noob with a spellbook imprisoning Dream of the Endless and Dream was helpless to stop it or escape?Nice try.
You brought Dream into it not me, mainly to lowball one of the Endless and it didn't' work, and no Dream was not helpless, he escaped on his own, with nobody helping him but himself, the magicians gained nothing from imprisoning him. Try again 😂
Originally posted by zopzop
Yes he did and its been confirmed multiple times in multiple entries and even on panel like I just showed you (both of which were published after FF 319). That's from the LT's entry. It's in Death's entry and in Beyonder's entry too.
Originally posted by kevdude
You brought Dream into it not me, mainly to lowball one of the Endless and it didn't' work, and no Dream was not helpless, he escaped on his own, with nobody helping him but himself, the magicians gained nothing from imprisoning him. Try again 😂
Originally posted by ODG
^ zopzop, despite our differences, if you really want to argue this matchup, all you need to do is read Lucifer vols.2-3. It's not even a discussion after vol.2, let alone vol.3.
I'm briefly reading this thread at this point since there's no worthy discussion to be had. and it seems zop is the only one who actually posted something from marvel side.
keep up the trolling odg 👆
Originally posted by NemeBro
What does someone bamboozling Dream have to do with Michael?Genuinely asking, I am only broadly familiar with the character but my understanding is that Lucifer (and by extension Michael) are far superior to even the mightiest of the Endless, Death and Destiny.
zop is a moron when it comes to dc/vertigo.
within the dreaming the lucien library where dream is nigh-omnipotent, should story occur outside dreaming it would burn down creation
we have morpheus put 1000 beings to sleep then remade entire creation, to how it should be since beginning of time
again morpheus used to reshap creation in dream of a thousand cats
not only morpheus, daniel created a seperate multiverse in the void by using a cosmic egg
michael and lucifer are beyond the endless