Originally posted by MrMind
I'm briefly reading this thread at this point since there's no worthy discussion to be had. and it seems zop is the only one who actually posted something from marvel side.keep up the trolling odg 👆
zop is a moron when it comes to dc/vertigo.
within the dreaming the lucien library where dream is nigh-omnipotent, should story occur outside dreaming it would burn down creation
we have morpheus put 1000 beings to sleep then remade entire creation, to how it should be since beginning of time
again morpheus used to reshap creation in dream of a thousand cats
not only morpheus, daniel created a seperate multiverse in the void by using a cosmic egg
michael and lucifer are beyond the endless
Originally posted by MrMind
death of the endless was trans-multiversal, this was shown in lucifer where death went to lucifer's multiverse, then brought elaine back from lucifer's multiverse to presence'sand death basically admitted lucifer can kill her
even destiny, would be claimed by death at the end of time.
Yahweh's creation being called a universe by Lucifer :
All this from the 2016 series of Lucifer. The last scan was from the final issue of the series.
And did someone say trans multiversal? Here it is on panel post retcon:
Originally posted by zopzop
It backed up what was shown on panel and is mentioned in the handbook entries of everyone involved : Death, Beyonder, the LT, Eternity, etc... It was also shown on panel post FF 319.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Alicia Masters beats up Death.😆😆😆😆
So....
Originally posted by zopzop
Here is Lucifeer's creation, using Michael's power being called a universe by Ellaine/God :Yahweh's creation being called a universe by Lucifer :
All this from the 2016 series of Lucifer. The last scan was from the final issue of the series.
And did someone say trans multiversal? Here it is on panel post retcon:
Heck, a planetary bomb once threatened to destroy marvel omniverse because of cascading effects.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Marvel omniverse is so fragile that a planetary bomb threatened to destroy it. From Chaos Engine trilogy.
Omniversal planet, huh?
Originally posted by abhilegend
Trans multiversal effects of fights don't mean they're trans multiversal destroyers. Basically they threw a stone in a pond and ripples went out to affect randomly.
Heck, a planetary bomb once threatened to destroy marvel omniverse because of cascading effects.Omniversal planet, huh?
Originally posted by zopzopCarey wrote multiverse and universe both during his series, and to him, he meant both. A totality. An everything. A universe replicated infinitely.
[B]Here is Lucifeer's creation, using Michael's power being called a universe by Ellaine/God :Yahweh's creation being called a universe by Lucifer :
All this from the 2016 series of Lucifer. The last scan was from the final issue of the series.
https://twitter.com/michaelcarey191/status/641365462530420737
https://twitter.com/michaelcarey191/status/674309993882087425
Originally posted by Juntai
Carey wrote multiverse and universe both during his series, and to him, he meant both. A totality. An everything. A universe replicated infinitely.https://twitter.com/michaelcarey191/status/641365462530420737
https://twitter.com/michaelcarey191/status/674309993882087425
He's either a hack or illiterate.
Originally posted by Juntai
Yeah, he's definitely both of those.
Multiverse
cosmology
: a theoretical reality that includes a possibly infinite number of parallel universes
Like I said, hack or illiterate.
Originally posted by zopzopit is odd because carey also introduced the mansions of silence, which contained endless stacked layers of forgotten realities (which lucifer destroyed just by existing inside that place mind you), but still typically used "universe" to refer to all of creation, even though he intended it to be much more than just one universe.
Universe
all of space and everything in it including stars, planets, galaxies, etc.Multiverse
cosmology
: a theoretical reality that includes a possibly infinite number of parallel universesLike I said, hack or illiterate.
not the first time writers have done things like that though. ewing used multiverse and omniverse interchangeably too.
Originally posted by zopzopThat's "the universe", but the other definitions of "universe" are much broader and less literal
Universe
all of space and everything in it including stars, planets, galaxies, etc.Multiverse
cosmology
: a theoretical reality that includes a possibly infinite number of parallel universesLike I said, hack or illiterate.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/universe
"a systematic whole held to arise by and persist through the direct intervention of divine power"
"a set that contains all elements relevant to a particular discussion or problem"
Pretty sure Carey used "universe" to refer to all of creation, however parsed.
Originally posted by DeadpoolXXX
it is odd because carey also introduced the mansions of silence, which contained endless stacked layers of forgotten realities (which lucifer destroyed just by existing inside that place mind you), but still typically used "universe" to refer to all of creation, even though he intended it to be much more than just one universe.not the first time writers have done things like that though. ewing used multiverse and omniverse interchangeably too.
Originally posted by Smurph
That's "the universe", but the other definitions of "universe" are much broader and less literalhttps://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/universe
"a systematic whole held to arise by and persist through the direct intervention of divine power"
"a set that contains all elements relevant to a particular discussion or problem"
Pretty sure Carey used "universe" to refer to all of creation, however parsed.
This is what Lucifer/Michael's 'multiverse' was. A universe with upper and lower dimensions :
lol when lucifer was at the edge the void, outside of space time, he see dc multiverse as realities layered endlessly, infinite repetition. just to twist your eye and see the entire dc continuum from that perception, takes will beyond imagination.
and when lucifer was in the overvoid he see creations rise and fall
Originally posted by zopzopI'm not sure what you think this demonstrates but I was just saying that Merriam Webster doesn't get you very far. There are varied enough understandings of universe to make sense of Carey's less literal use of the word.
Here is what you are describing in Marvel :
This is what Lucifer/Michael's 'multiverse' was. A universe with upper and lower dimensions :
Originally posted by MrMindAnnnnndddd... nothing of what you posted involves Lucifer vols.2-3.
I'm briefly reading this thread at this point since there's no worthy discussion to be had. and it seems zop is the only one who actually posted something from marvel side.keep up the trolling odg 👆
Actually... nothing of what you posted even involves Lucifer vol.1.
I don't appreciate your characterization that I'm trolling. But when you have to flee towards tertiary material to avoid the actual main series these characters feature in? That's just b1tch-whining.
Glad you dropped the retarded notion that the DC Multiverse/Michael infinitely outscale the Marvel Multiverse/Beyonder. Baby-steps for you but that deserves a pat on the head.
like i said, this is not worth my time until someone worth debating come along and start showing actual substance.
marvel fans, for this discourse to continue first prove beyond realm is bigger than nil
overvoid>dc omniverse> infinite multiverses made in sixth dimension>fifth dimension>dark multiverse>nil=beyond realm>third dimensional marvel multiverse=third dimensional dc multiverse
nothing in marvel is bigger than beyond realm
Originally posted by Smurph
I'm not sure what you think this demonstrates but I was just saying that Merriam Webster doesn't get you very far. There are varied enough understandings of universe to make sense of Carey's less literal use of the word.
Does Carey believe :
A) a 'multiverse' is a universe and all it's adjacent dimensions, god realms, heavens, hells, and sub dimensions?
OR
B) A series of infinite universes. Like universe 616, universe14789, universe 256, universe 98989888888888888888888888, etc...?
Because they are two VERY different things. An honest reading of Carey's tweet cleaerly points to scenario A.