Originally posted by Robtard
They're all too slow to compete with BA's speed. BA could shove Surfer and board up the Hulk's ass and there's nothing either could do to stop it.
Or Surfer could just remain intangible, turn Adam into a rubber dildo, or trap him into his board and there would be nothing BA could do to stop it.
Honestly Surfer solos here.
Originally posted by tkitna
Or Surfer could just remain intangible, turn Adam into a rubber dildo, or trap him into his board and there would be nothing BA could do to stop it.Honestly Surfer solos here.
Are Surfer's powers without limits? I didn't get that impression.
BA is also a magical being, that is something this Surfer has not faced.
Originally posted by Robtard
Are Surfer's powers without limits? I didn't get that impression.BA is also a magical being, that is something this Surfer has not faced.
No not without limits and its a mystery as to what magic could or could not do to him, but it appeared he was pretty much uber unless the make up of the power cosmic was messed with. Reed figured away, but I very much doubt Adam could.
Would Adams lightning mess with Surfer? Don't know as its magical in make up. He scoffed at Dooms powers though.
Surfer appeared to have to be knocked off his board for his powers to dissipate. Reed found away to disrupt the power cosmic to knock him off his board. Can Adam knock him off his board? If so he destroys him. If not he loses badly.
Originally posted by KingD19
Adam might not be able to remove Surfer from his board, but Surfer shouldn't be able to hit him if he's in blitz mode, which he appeared to be able to go in and out of at will.
I have a hard time believing Surfer couldn't affect Adam or the surrounding environment even with his speed. He has cosmic awareness and flies across galaxies finding planets for Galactus. BA seems like small stuff in the larger scope of things.
Just my opinion. Not debating it because it can't be debated.
Originally posted by KingD19
Adam might not be able to remove Surfer from his board, but Surfer shouldn't be able to hit him if he's in blitz mode, which he appeared to be able to go in and out of at will.
Yeah but you have to consider that Hawkman was hitting BA multiple times throughout their fight. Which means that despite his speed blitzing ability, BA can and has been hit by people without super speed.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Yeah but you have to consider that Hawkman was hitting BA multiple times throughout their fight. Which means that despite his speed blitzing ability, BA can and has been hit by people without super speed.
And when he first woke up, he gets shot with multiple automatic rifles because he let them, but he was also fast enough to snatch one out of the air at the same time. Even when he did his Quicksilver moment, he caught the electrum missile right after and got blown up even when right before that he saw an explosion in slow-mo, as well as his own lightning. So it seems to be a switch in his brain, at least that what it feels like to me. Without PIS, he'd fight like that all the time.
Originally posted by tkitna
I have a hard time believing Surfer couldn't affect Adam or the surrounding environment even with his speed. He has cosmic awareness and flies across galaxies finding planets for Galactus. BA seems like small stuff in the larger scope of things.Just my opinion. Not debating it because it can't be debated.
I get where you're coming from. His powers of just being around stuff and screwing with it is valid, although not sure to what extent when it comes to Adam who is blessed by the same magic as Shazam and we see he's pretty uber. As for Surfer's speed, he is fast enough to travel across galaxies, but as far as combat/reflex speed I think the most we saw him do was swat away a missile? He's a lot slower in that department.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Yeah but you have to consider that Hawkman was hitting BA multiple times throughout their fight. Which means that despite his speed blitzing ability, BA can and has been hit by people without super speed.
Fiction inconsistency and PIS
If BA can statue the environment then it's impossible for anything slow to hit him unless he wants it to.
Originally posted by KingD19
That is true, which is why I said he seems to be able to go in and out of it when he feels like it. He wasn't trying to really hurt or kill Hawkman imo, because we saw how badly the demon was beating his ass when he really wanted to take him out. And we saw Adam one-shot Atom Smasher so if he wanted Hawkman out of the fight, he would've been. We've seen both Adam and the Shazamily utilize superspeed when they needed to for the plot.And when he first woke up, he gets shot with multiple automatic rifles because he let them, but he was also fast enough to snatch one out of the air at the same time. Even when he did his Quicksilver moment, he caught the electrum missile right after and got blown up even when right before that he saw an explosion in slow-mo, as well as his own lightning. So it seems to be a switch in his brain, at least that what it feels like to me. Without PIS, he'd fight like that all the time.
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The problem is that there's zero indication that he was taking it easy on Hawkman. I mean, BA was straight-up murdering people as soon as he woke up. He clearly had no qualms about using maximum violence against people. Why would he suddenly take it easy on someone who was clearly capable of hurting him?