Defenders vs Black Adam

Originally posted by FrothByte
The problem is that there's zero indication that he was taking it easy on Hawkman. I mean, BA was straight-up murdering people as soon as he woke up. He clearly had no qualms about using maximum violence against people. Why would he suddenly take it easy on someone who was clearly capable of hurting him?

Then when he came back, Sabbacc beat him so badly that he was about to rip his wings off and Hawkman could do nothing to stop him until Adam showed up and took over. So if Adam wanted to kill them when they fought, they would've died. He actually respected them as warriors though and wasn't really evil, he just didn't give much of a sh*t at first. Hawkman even confirmed they wanted to stop him from acting on his own, but not kill him. The Khandaqi skateboard kid and his family also softened his outlook on things. He only killed the soldiers who were actively trying to kill him or kill other people.

Originally posted by KingD19
The indication he was taking it easy on Hawkman was how easily he KO'd Atom Smasher, and how easily Sabbac steamrolled Doctor Fate and Hawkman. He was weaker than Black Adam but he killed Fate with a punch to the gut, after he threw Hawkman through a building and left him unconscious.

Then when he came back, Sabbacc beat him so badly that he was about to rip his wings off and Hawkman could do nothing to stop him until Adam showed up and took over. So if Adam wanted to kill them when they fought, they would've died. He actually respected them as warriors though and wasn't really evil, he just didn't give much of a sh*t at first. Hawkman even confirmed they wanted to stop him from acting on his own, but not kill him. The Khandaqi skateboard kid and his family also softened his outlook on things. He only killed the soldiers who were actively trying to kill him or kill other people.

BA was also losing to Sabbac. He needed the help of Hawkman and Dr. Fate to beat Sabbac. Whereas BA was beating Hawkman (although struggling to do so). In the end, they were all able to land hits on BA, even Atom Smasher and Dr. Fate, which goes against the narrative that BA can be completely unhittable due to his speed.

I have yet to see a character be unhittable. The frozen statue premise doesn't hold water. Even Quicksilver and the Flash get hit.

Originally posted by tkitna
I have yet to see a character be unhittable. The frozen statue premise doesn't hold water. Even Quicksilver and the Flash get hit.

Originally posted by h1a8
This is a forum fight, not a movie fight where PIS and contradictions occur.
Characters fight at the best of their ability. They don't forget their powers and neither are their "always on" powers suddenly turned off for the sake of the plot.

In other words, you want to exaggerate a characters' powerset even if it's not supported by onscreen feats.

Originally posted by h1a8
This is a forum fight, not a movie fight where PIS and contradictions occur.
Characters fight at the best of their ability. They don't forget their powers and neither are their "always on" powers suddenly turned off for the sake of the plot.

Ok, then BA stands zero chance of winning here. Surfer stays intangible and turns Adam and the surrounding area into salt.

Originally posted by FrothByte
In other words, you want to exaggerate a characters' powerset even if it's not supported by onscreen feats.

Exactly

Originally posted by John Murdoch
Surfer alone is most likely enough, but with Strange and Bana Hulk? That's a wrap.

Bana Hulk is the most overrated character on this ****ing board.

Surfer does definitely solo though.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Bana Hulk would get folded by laundry even if he and Black Adam just traded punches.

Bana Hulk is the most overrated character on this ****ing board.

Surfer does definitely solo though.

I do agree with you that Bana Hulk vs. Black Adam straight-up equals a win for Black Adam, and it's a moot point with Surfer on team Defenders. I more so made that comment to state that Stephen and Bruce were icing on the cake against Adam.

Originally posted by FrothByte
In other words, you want to exaggerate a characters' powerset even if it's not supported by onscreen feats.

No we do use on screen feats. On screen feats have BA being able to statue the battlefield with absolute ease.

I will never exaggerate what a character CAN DO beyond what they have shown.

Originally posted by h1a8
No we do use on screen feats. On screen feats have BA being able to statue the battlefield with absolute ease.

And do what?

Originally posted by h1a8
No we do use on screen feats. On screen feats have BA being able to statue the battlefield with absolute ease.

I will never exaggerate what a character CAN DO beyond what they have shown.

On screen feats don't showcase BA being able to statue the battlefield indefinitely. On screen feats showcase BA being hit multiple times by beings without superspeed.

In other words, you're asking BA to behave in a manner that is not consistent with his onscreen feats.

Originally posted by h1a8
No we do use on screen feats. On screen feats have BA being able to statue the battlefield with absolute ease.

With normal humans. Can he always do that against super powered characters? If so, Hawkman said to hold his beer.

Originally posted by FrothByte
On screen feats don't showcase BA being able to statue the battlefield indefinitely. On screen feats showcase BA being hit multiple times by beings without superspeed.

In other words, you're asking BA to behave in a manner that is not consistent with his onscreen feats.

Why does he need to statue the battlefield indefinitely? He can just do it long enough to win.
Also There wasn't anything to suggest that he couldn't if he wanted to. It wasn't like it was shown that it taxes him to statue the battlefield. He'll he statued shit without even tryingor being aware that he was.

Originally posted by tkitna
With normal humans. Can he always do that against super powered characters? If so, Hawkman said to hold his beer.

Originally posted by h1a8
Why does he need to statue the battlefield indefinitely? He can just do it long enough to win.
Also There wasn't anything to suggest that he couldn't if he wanted to. It wasn't like it was shown that it taxes him to statue the battlefield. He'll he statued shit without even tryingor being aware that he was.

So you're claiming that someone moving as fast as they can will be able to maintain it indefinitely? Lol. Like I said, you love to make up feats when they don't exist. If he could have done it then he should have been able to avoid getting hit by Hawkman completely.

In any case your point is moot. If you insist that BA will be blitzing right from the get-go and never let up on his speed then Silver Surfer will be intangible right from the get-go and never go tangible. Either way, BA loses.

Originally posted by FrothByte
So you're claiming that someone moving as fast as they can will be able to maintain it indefinitely? Lol. Like I said, you love to make up feats when they don't exist. If he could have done it then he should have been able to avoid getting hit by Hawkman completely.

In any case your point is moot. If you insist that BA will be blitzing right from the get-go and never let up on his speed then Silver Surfer will be intangible right from the get-go and never go tangible. Either way, BA loses.

Statuing the entire battlefield doesn't require movement speed.
His perception will always be that they are frozen. He can move at any speed in that frozen scenario and do what he wants CASUALLY.

Why does BA have to statue the battlefield indefinitely? He can just statue them long enough to win. Duh. It would probably take less time than what he has already done.

BA has statued the battlefield at the start before, he caught the first bullet shot at him and he didn't know he was about to attacked. Are you arguing character?

And what can Surfer even do to BA, assuming BA just stood there and allow him to strike first? He's a magical being.
And How can Surfer go intangible if he is frozen at the start?
Prove that Surfer can even attack while in phased mode.
How can an intangible being win?

Originally posted by h1a8

His perception will always be that they are frozen.

You don't know that. Throwing a mountain smashing punch while everything is frozen is very different to just standing around watching soldiers.

And doing so indefinitely would also be something on a completely different level.

Again, feats are required. His tussles with Hawkman doesn't help your case.

Originally posted by h1a8

And what can Surfer even do to BA, assuming BA just stood there and allow him to strike first? He's a magical being.
And How can Surfer go intangible if he is frozen at the start?
Prove that Surfer can even attack while in phased mode.
How can an intangible being win?

Him being a magical being doesn't mean anything when it comes to physical harm.

Do you actually believe the Surfer (with cosmic awareness) couldn't react in time to turn intangible? Honestly, I doubt Surfer would even see BA as a threat to him.

And you don't think Surfer can call on the power cosmic while intangible? Why would that be?

Originally posted by Darth Thor
You don't know that. Throwing a mountain smashing punch while everything is frozen is very different to just standing around watching soldiers.

And doing so indefinitely would also be something on a completely different level.

Again, feats are required. His tussles with Hawkman doesn't help your case.

Why must he do so indefinitely? That isn't required here.