Defenders vs Black Adam

Originally posted by Darth Thor
You don't know that. Throwing a mountain smashing punch while everything is frozen is very different to just standing around watching soldiers.

And doing so indefinitely would also be something on a completely different level.

Again, feats are required. His tussles with Hawkman doesn't help your case.

Why must he do so indefinitely? That isn't required here.

Originally posted by tkitna
Him being a magical being doesn't mean anything when it comes to physical harm.

Do you actually believe the Surfer (with cosmic awareness) couldn't react in time to turn intangible? Honestly, I doubt Surfer would even see BA as a threat to him.

And you don't think Surfer can call on the power cosmic while intangible? Why would that be?

Surfer has no feats to show that he can put BA down physically.

And we use feats here. This isn't comic Surfer. Surfer has no reaction feats on the level of reacting to bullets within battlefield starting distance (in which BA is much faster than).

And the problem of intangibility is that one must prove that the intangible being can attack while in that state.

Originally posted by h1a8

Surfer has no feats to show that he can put BA down physically.

And we use feats here. This isn't comic Surfer. Surfer has no reaction feats on the level of reacting to bullets within battlefield starting distance (in which BA is much faster than).

And the problem of intangibility is that one must prove that the intangible being can attack while in that state.

Surfer destroyed an entire army brigade with a wave of his hand. He also has feats of mass matter manipulation. He has more than enough power at his disposal to down BA. I won't even bring up the output he displayed when facing Galactus.

If we're using feats, quit acting like BA can't be touched. He was being tagged throughout the entire film by different characters.

So basically you guys have BA not using his speed here (a gimped version) so that the Defenders can win?

What are Surfer's durability feats? Why can't a simple punch ko him? What are his power output feats? Why will he be able to even harm BA (who was completely immune to armor piercing military tank artillery).

Originally posted by tkitna
Surfer destroyed an entire army brigade with a wave of his hand. He also has feats of mass matter manipulation. He has more than enough power at his disposal to down BA. I won't even bring up the output he displayed when facing Galactus.

If we're using feats, quit acting like BA can't be touched. He was being tagged throughout the entire film by different characters.

He blew up a few trucks with a hard clap of his hands (sending energy blast/wave in that direction). Terrible feat.

Being completely immune to tank artillery canon is significantly greater.

Galactus was a cloud dude with no durability feats. This isn't the comics.

Surfer must prove that matter manipulation is effective on a highly durable magical being (being constantly sustained in power and immortality by magical energy).

You have no clue what he's capable of do you? You've never watched the movie so why are you even posting?

Your giving BA the automatic win because he showed some speed against normal humans and you have to ask what the Surfers capable of. You never cease to be the biggest idiot on this forum.

Originally posted by tkitna
You have no clue what he's capable of do you? You've never watched the movie so why are you even posting?

Your giving BA the automatic win because he showed some speed against normal humans and you have to ask what the Surfers capable of. You never cease to be the biggest idiot on this forum.

I saw the movie. Who hasn't?
We can't speculate on what someone can do. We use what they have shown or been stated to do (credible source).

Using only feats then Surfer can't put BA down nor does he have the perception and movement speed to match BA.

Ah, H1 is H1ing.

-leaves-

Originally posted by h1a8
1)He can throw a mountain smashing punch while the battlefield is frozen.

2)Why must he do so indefinitely? That isn't required here.

1) Proof ?

2) Because pretty sure he will need more than 1 punch against Surfer.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
1) Proof ?

2) Because pretty sure he will need more than 1 punch against Surfer.

1) That was your claim, not mine. I was just repeating what you said.

2) Surfer doesn't really have any good durability feats. We can only speculate that he can take more than one punch.

3) Indefinitely doesn't mean infinite. Any reasonable person can believe that BA can be in speed mode at least for several minutes (far longer than needed) based off how casual he was doing things while in that mode (no evidence of him being taxed at any time).

Originally posted by riv6672
Ah, H1 is H1ing.

-leaves-

Troll post. I'm using onscreen feats. Others are using speculation which isn't based on onscreen feats.
So go ahead and take up for the other trollers.
I'm the only one at this point who isn't trolling.

Originally posted by h1a8
I saw the movie. Who hasn't?
We can't speculate on what someone can do. We use what they have shown or been stated to do (credible source).

Using only feats then Surfer can't put BA down nor does he have the perception and movement speed to match BA.

If you've seen the movie then why are you asking what his power output is? He displayed it. He fought Galactus and the shockwave was bigger than a planet. BA aint living through that.

Originally posted by tkitna
If you've seen the movie then why are you asking what his power output is? He displayed it. He fought Galactus and the shockwave was bigger than a planet. BA aint living through that.

Because
1. That's a normal way of saying prove your case
2. I'm human and it is possible that I forgot something (like others sometimes do here)

Galactus has no durability feats so that feat is unusable.
What Shockwave? What are you talking about?

Originally posted by h1a8
Statuing the entire battlefield doesn't require movement speed.
His perception will always be that they are frozen. He can move at any speed in that frozen scenario and do what he wants CASUALLY.

Why does BA have to statue the battlefield indefinitely? He can just statue them long enough to win. Duh. It would probably take less time than what he has already done.

BA has statued the battlefield at the start before, he caught the first bullet shot at him and he didn't know he was about to attacked. Are you arguing character?

And what can Surfer even do to BA, assuming BA just stood there and allow him to strike first? He's a magical being.
And How can Surfer go intangible if he is frozen at the start?
Prove that Surfer can even attack while in phased mode.
How can an intangible being win?

What can Surfer do to BA? Jeeze dude, you haven't watched the Rise of the Surfer have you? SS has cosmic blasts powerful enough to destroy Galactus. BA has nothing against that.

Originally posted by h1a8
1) That was your claim, not mine. I was just repeating what you said.

2) Surfer doesn't really have any good durability feats. We can only speculate that he can take more than one punch.

3) Indefinitely doesn't mean infinite. Any reasonable person can believe that BA can be in speed mode at least for several minutes (far longer than needed) based off how casual he was doing things while in that mode (no evidence of him being taxed at any time).

1) Because I reasonably assume putting more effort in costs more energy.

2) He can phase through people, absorb missiles with his board, survive an explosion which takes out Cloud Galactus (much larger than the Earth).

3) I really only mean for the length of a fight, or to beat a worthy opponent. We saw him against Hawkman, so the evidence is on my side.

Originally posted by h1a8

Galactus has no durability feats so that feat is unusable.

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Originally posted by FrothByte
What can Surfer do to BA? Jeeze dude, you haven't watched the Rise of the Surfer have you? SS has cosmic blasts powerful enough to destroy Galactus. BA has nothing against that.

Galactus has no durability feats. He was just a cloud.
Any feats against IT doesn't prove anything. This is not the comic version of Galactus. Surfer died in the process. He's not going to purposely kill himself here, assuming that will even affect BA.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
1) Because I reasonably assume putting more effort in costs more energy.

2) He can phase through people, absorb missiles with his board, survive an explosion which takes out Cloud Galactus (much larger than the Earth).

3) I really only mean for the length of a fight, or to beat a worthy opponent. We saw him against Hawkman, so the evidence is on my side.
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2. Galactus has no durability feats. This is not comic Galactus. Surfer killed himself to achieve that. He's not going to kill himself here (assuming it would affect BA)

3. We know that BA can statue the battlefield. He's immensely strong and durable and has powerful lightning attacks. He fights to the best of his ability here (not the worst). Even if BA stood there and let Surfer attack then Surfer has no feats to prove that he can affect someone that is completely immune to Tank artillery and someone that is an immortal magical being

Originally posted by FrothByte
What can Surfer do to BA? Jeeze dude, you haven't watched the Rise of the Surfer have you? SS has cosmic blasts powerful enough to destroy Galactus. BA has nothing against that.

Galactus has no durability feats. He was just a cloud.
Any feats against IT doesn't prove anything. This is not the comic version of Galactus. Surfer died in the process. He's not going to purposely kill himself here, assuming that will even affect BA.

Galactus has no durability feats? Good lord, he was probably 20x's the size of the earth and a weakened Surfer (just brought Sue back to life) destroyed him. Surfers floating body at the end of the movie indicates he wasn't actually killed.

This nonsense with you has to stop.

Originally posted by tkitna
Galactus has no durability feats? Good lord, he was probably 20x's the size of the earth and a weakened Surfer (just brought Sue back to life) destroyed him. Surfers floating body at the end of the movie indicates he wasn't actually killed.

This nonsense with you has to stop.

He clearly states "This is the End for Us Both."
He wasn't seen alive; therefore by writer's intent, he was dead.
Size doesn't matter if you have no durability feats and are a cloud.

Originally posted by h1a8
He clearly states "This is the End for Us Both."
He wasn't seen alive; therefore by writer's intent, he was dead.
Size doesn't matter if you have no durability feats and are a cloud.

You really don't have a clue do you?

He opened his eye and his board was seen going to him. He was alive.

Yeah, Galactus could have been taken care of by anybody with a Hoover I guess.

You are impossible.

Originally posted by tkitna
You really don't have a clue do you?

He opened his eye and his board was seen going to him. He was alive.

Yeah, Galactus could have been taken care of by anybody with a Hoover I guess.

You are impossible.

We don't know exactly what Surfer did. Probably used Galactus kryptonite for all we know.
We can only speculate whether such attack can work on BA or not.
It was a cloud.

Also it is very unlikely that Surfer would even do such an attack, especially believing he's not going to survive and in which it kills his teammates as well.