Originally posted by Robtard
I still think BA can defeat Surfer via strength, speed, durability and magic, but making Surfer out to be some low-level chump and film Galactus as little more than a creampuff, when he/it is clearly a planet buster is the stuff of retards. Carry on.
No doubt that Galactus can bust a planet (through draining it). But what does that say about his weaknesses or resistance against certain attacks?
What if Surfer created a runaway chain effect in IT? We don't exactly know what Surfer particularly did to IT.
All we can do is speculate. But you are correct. It's not necessarily a creampuff cloud of smoke.
With that said
Surfer would most likely try to blast BA like he did Doom.
It amazed me how bias some are here. Have Surfer do the same kamikaze attack on BA from the very start (possible killing him and his teammates) just because we both state that BA will use his speed here (how is that unreasonable?). Then they change the goalposts and state he won't use speed indefinitely without proving that HE NEEDS TO. It's not like he needs to be in speed mode for an hour in his mind (which equates to less than a minute in the real world). He probably needs a few minutes in his perceived time (which equates to a few seconds tops in the real world).
Surfer doesn't have any good durability feats (forum rules is that we use feats to establish attributes like durability strength speed etc). But he definitely has superhuman durability.
Surfer had to knock a missile away and absorb another in his board. Wouldn't that hint from the writer that Surfer will be significantly affected by them if they actually explodes on him? This is common sense. If the writer believed that missiles will do nothing to him then the writer would have shown it (and not have Surfer avoid them).
2nd, in reality Surfer will fight BA flying around blasting or clapping his hands like he's shown to do when in a fight against corporeal beings. That's if BA allows him to and doesn't statue him right away.
Yet the same people think it's out of character for BA to statue the battlefield when he has statued situations multiple times throughout the movie against humans and superhuman alike. BA statuted the first bullet shot at him (he caught it).
It's not like Surfer can one shot BA. At best BA allows Surfer to hit him. Then decides what to do from there.
People use fiction inconsistency (writer make character forget his powers at particular times for the sake of the plot). This is called PIS, especially because it is illogical and was only done to help the story procede. Wouldn't be much of a movie if BA statued the battlefield in EVERY SCENE. There would be absolutely no adversity in the movie. It would be a complete domination from beginning to end.
It's like have Spider-Man dodge machine gun fire EASILY 100% of the time (thousands of bullets mind you) but get randomly tagged by punches moving magnitudes slower for the story to precede.
That's why forum fights are different. We don't use PIS as evidence (that's a form of trolling).
Originally posted by h1a8
No doubt that Galactus can bust a planet (through draining it). But what does that say about his weaknesses or resistance against certain attacks?
What if Surfer created a runaway chain effect in IT? We don't exactly know what Surfer particularly did to IT.
All we can do is speculate. But you are correct. It's not necessarily a creampuff cloud of smoke.With that said
Surfer would most likely try to blast BA like he did Doom.
It amazed me how bias some are here. Have Surfer do the same kamikaze attack on BA from the very start (possible killing him and his teammates) just because we both state that BA will use his speed here (how is that unreasonable?). Then they change the goalposts and state he won't use speed indefinitely without proving that HE NEEDS TO. It's not like he needs to be in speed mode for an hour in his mind (which equates to less than a minute in the real world). He probably needs a few minutes in his perceived time (which equates to a few seconds tops in the real world).
Surfer doesn't have any good durability feats (forum rules is that we use feats to establish attributes like durability strength speed etc). But he definitely has superhuman durability.
Surfer had to knock a missile away and absorb another in his board. Wouldn't that hint from the writer that Surfer will be significantly affected by them if they actually explodes on him? This is common sense. If the writer believed that missiles will do nothing to him then the writer would have shown it (and not have Surfer avoid them).
2nd, in reality Surfer will fight BA flying around blasting or clapping his hands like he's shown to do when in a fight against corporeal beings. That's if BA allows him to and doesn't statue him right away.
Yet the same people think it's out of character for BA to statue the battlefield when he has statued situations multiple times throughout the movie against humans and superhuman alike. BA statuted the first bullet shot at him (he caught it).
It's not like Surfer can one shot BA. At best BA allows Surfer to hit him. Then decides what to do from there.
People use fiction inconsistency (writer make character forget his powers at particular times for the sake of the plot). This is called PIS, especially because it is illogical and was only done to help the story procede. Wouldn't be much of a movie if BA statued the battlefield in EVERY SCENE. There would be absolutely no adversity in the movie. It would be a complete domination from beginning to end.
It's like have Spider-Man dodge machine gun fire EASILY 100% of the time (thousands of bullets mind you) but get randomly tagged by punches moving magnitudes slower for the story to precede.
That's why forum fights are different. We don't use PIS as evidence (that's a form of trolling).
Surfer didn't have to blast Doom. He just returned Doom's blast back at him.
With all you said, why is it your assumption that Surfer would just blast at BA? If there's no restrictions here, why wouldn't he just turn BA into a dog turd? Before saying something like, how do you know he can affect a magical character like that,,,,well how do you know BA can statue Surfer?
Surfer just appears to be so much more than a flying brick that I can't possibly give BA a win in any scenario.
Originally posted by h1a83. We know that BA can statue the battlefield. He's immensely strong and durable and has powerful lightning attacks.
Yes but you don't know how well he can combine those abilities with his speed.
All I'm saying.
His fights against Hawkman don't help your case.
Originally posted by h1a8It amazed me how bias some are here.
It's nothing to do with Bias, it's about backing up your claims which you've always been terrible at.
If your argument was more akin to:
"IF BA's abilities as shown in the film can combine Akin to the way Superman fights, then he could likely dodge Surfer all day until he lands the hits he requires... "
then no one would have an issue, but then you wouldn't be you I guess.
Originally posted by tkitna
Surfer didn't have to blast Doom. He just returned Doom's blast back at him.With all you said, why is it your assumption that Surfer would just blast at BA? If there's no restrictions here, why wouldn't he just turn BA into a dog turd? Before saying something like, how do you know he can affect a magical character like that,,,,well how do you know BA can statue Surfer?
Surfer just appears to be so much more than a flying brick that I can't possibly give BA a win in any scenario.
Surfer has no feats of turning anyone into a turd, let alone a magical durable being.
Surfer didn't return Doom's own energy back at him. Surfer shot him with Surfer's own energy.
Surfer will blast and clap hands because that's all he has done in the movie.
Surfer has no battle speed feats (moving from rest and perceiving in relation to a bullet or faster).
Surfer can be koed you know. Why couldn't BA ko him faster than Surfer can act?
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Yes but you don't know how well he can combine those abilities with his speed.All I'm saying.
His fights against Hawkman don't help your case.
It's nothing to do with Bias, it's about backing up your claims which you've always been terrible at.
If your argument was more akin to:
"IF BA's abilities as shown in the film can combine Akin to the way Superman fights, then he could likely dodge Surfer all day until he lands the hits he requires... "
then no one would have an issue, but then you wouldn't be you I guess.
Strength Durability and Perception speed IS ALWAYS On. Speed only increases his striking power (not take away from it). You are talking crazy now.
BA doesn't need to dodge Surfer. He can attack him first (before Surfer can make an action) or just sit there and let Surfer attack him.
Originally posted by h1a8
Strength Durability and Perception speed IS ALWAYS On. Speed only increases his striking power (not take away from it). You are talking crazy now.BA doesn't need to dodge Surfer. He can attack him first (before Surfer can make an action) or just sit there and let Surfer attack him.
If perception speed is always on then how did BA get hit by Hawkman or Dr. Fate?
Originally posted by h1a8
PISPerception speed is always on in a forum fight. Is that better?
It's not PIS if it's something shown that's constant. In that case it becomes the standard and PIS would be what is the exception. In BA's case, he got hit by pretty much every superpowered opponent he faced.
Originally posted by FrothByte
It's not PIS if it's something shown that's constant. In that case it becomes the standard and PIS would be what is the exception. In BA's case, he got hit by pretty much every superpowered opponent he faced.
PIS has nothing to do with the amount of times, it's the reason why. It was established that BA can perceive time far faster than a human (statue the battlefield). So the times he didn't was not because he wasn't able to but because of the plot (hence PLOT INDUCED STUPITY).
Now if your argument is that BA WON'T EVER statue the battlefield (when he has shown to have that capability multiple times) only because of the few times he was hit then you are clearly trolling.
BA doesn't have to statue the battlefield for a long time. As long as he already shown.
Plus you are ignoring the argument that Surfer won't affect BA significantly.
Originally posted by h1a8
PIS has nothing to do with the amount of times, it's the reason why. It was established that BA can perceive time far faster than a human (statue the battlefield). So the times he didn't was not because he wasn't able to but because of the plot (hence PLOT INDUCED STUPITY).Now if your argument is that BA WON'T EVER statue the battlefield (when he has shown to have that capability multiple times) only because of the few times he was hit then you are clearly trolling.
BA doesn't have to statue the battlefield for a long time. As long as he already shown.
Plus you are ignoring the argument that Surfer won't affect BA significantly.
In other words, you want BA to fight in a way that was never supported in the movie. Otherwise, name me a single time he statues a superpowered opponent so well that his opponent was completely unable to land hits on him despite trying.
Originally posted by h1a8
PISPerception speed is always on in a forum fight. Is that better?
That's a cop out. We go by ON SCREEN FEATS ONLY.
You're asking us to ignore consistent on screen showings in favour of the way you IMAGINE BA would fight against the same characters he's already fought On Screen.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
That's a cop out. We go by ON SCREEN FEATS ONLY.You're asking us to ignore consistent on screen showings in favour of the way you IMAGINE BA would fight against the same characters he's already fought On Screen.
Now you are trolling. It was shown multiple times that BA can and has statued the battlefield. There is nothing consistent about BA getting tagged and not using speed. Therefore you are lying.
So you are asking us to ignore his multiple speed feats and assume that he will not be operating in speed mode in this fight.
Lol
I remember you arguing one off feats for Thor when he has shown the opposite far more consistently (99 to 1). It's easy to expose your troll double standard tactics.
So I'll ask a simple question. Will BA use his speed and perceptions to try to win in this fight?
Originally posted by FrothByte
In other words, you want BA to fight in a way that was never supported in the movie. Otherwise, name me a single time he statues a superpowered opponent so well that his opponent was completely unable to land hits on him despite trying.
What? Are you on drugs?
I'm arguing that BA will fight as he was shown in the movie (statue the battlefield, using speed, using lightning, etc). Although it is idiotic to suggest that BA can't statue a superhuman (that doesn't possess any superspeed) only because they are a superhuman (and not because they possess superspeed himself.
He statued Hawkman multiple times when fighting him.
Are you suggesting that BA will not use any speed or perceptions (although he has done so multiple times) in this or any forum fight?
Originally posted by h1a8
What? Are you on drugs?
I'm arguing that BA will fight as he was shown in the movie (statue the battlefield, using speed, using lightning, etc). Although it is idiotic to suggest that BA can't statue a superhuman (that doesn't possess any superspeed) only because they are a superhuman (and not because they possess superspeed himself.
He statued Hawkman multiple times when fighting him.Are you suggesting that BA will not use any speed or perceptions (although he has done so multiple times) in this or any forum fight?
I'm saying BA gets hit by superhumans despite his superspeed. Are you going to insist that this wasn't true as per movie feats?
Originally posted by FrothByte
I'm saying BA gets hit by superhumans despite his superspeed. Are you going to insist that this wasn't true as per movie feats?
In a movie with plot induced stupidity he has gotten hit yes.
But he can't get hit if he IS USING SPEED.
So you can argue that he won't use speed or that he will. Which is it?