Hela vs Captain Marvel vs Thanos
Battlefield is on a barren planet with similar characteristics as the fight scene in Endgame (Big 3 vs Thanos).
Fight1: Hela vs Endgame Thanos (armor and sword).
Fight2: Hela vs Captain Marvel
Fight3: Captain Marvel vs Endgame Thanos (armor and sword).
Bonus question:
Rank their physical strength.
Originally posted by Psychotron
Hela's feat of casually catching Mjolnir, preventing it from returning to Thor and crushing it is unmatched.
We don't have precise information on Mjolnir's durability or the full extent of the enchantment's power. However, we do know that Ultimate Hulk was able to overpower and lift Ultimate Mjolnir by pure strength.
In the absence of specific feats, I would estimate Mjolnir's durability to be comparable to the strongest tungsten alloy. The strength of the enchantment itself appears to be less than the hammer's structural durability since Mjolnir remained undamaged even when Hela held it, preventing it from falling or returning.
That said, Thanos' sword seems to be more durable than Captain America’s shield, which suggests it could easily sever a limb or even decapitate Hela.
Originally posted by h1a8
We don't have precise information on Mjolnir's durability or the full extent of the enchantment's power. However, we do know that Ultimate Hulk was able to overpower and lift Ultimate Mjolnir by pure strength.In the absence of specific feats, I would estimate Mjolnir's durability to be comparable to the strongest tungsten alloy. The strength of the enchantment itself appears to be less than the hammer's structural durability since Mjolnir remained undamaged even when Hela held it, preventing it from falling or returning.
That said, Thanos' sword seems to be more durable than Captain America’s shield, which suggests it could easily sever a limb or even decapitate Hela.
We also know Mjolnir is made of Uru, which is so durable that they had to forge Mjolnir and Stormbreaker in Nidavellir, which is a planet sized forge powered by the heart of a dying star. Tungsten has a melting point of 3,422°C / (6,191.6°F), and while we don't have a concrete number for Uru, going off the process we see Thor and Eitri go through to make Stormbreaker that it's much, much higher. It's laughable that you'd compare Uru to Tungsten.
I can't quote for some reason, but I'll address h1a8 anyway.
Who cares about Ultimate Hulk and Ultimate Mjolnir? MCU Hulk couldn't do jack to MCU Mjolnir. Thanos is somewhat stronger than Hulk and Thor based on feats, but nowhere near strong enough to overpower the enchantment or break the mallet. We know that because Captain America w/Mjolnir took Thanos for a ride. Based on their performances against Mjonir and its wielders, Hela is significantly stronger than Thanos. Stabbing her doesn't do much either. Mjolnir's lightning hurt Thanos, but Hela didn't seem particularly hurt by Thor's massive lightning strike. Maybe a decapitation could stop her, but it's Hela's fight to lose.
Originally posted by KingD19
Ultimate Hulk and feats from Ultimate don't matter here. Especially when we have MCU Hulk getting thrown back against his will, then trying and failing to even move Mjolnir while it's enchantment was active, and it being so powerful that the ground fractured from the pressure of his efforts while the hammer didn't move an inch.We also know Mjolnir is made of Uru, which is so durable that they had to forge Mjolnir and Stormbreaker in Nidavellir, which is a planet sized forge powered by the heart of a dying star. Tungsten has a melting point of 3,422°C / (6,191.6°F), and while we don't have a concrete number for Uru, going off the process we see Thor and Eitri go through to make Stormbreaker that it's much, much higher. It's laughable that you'd compare Uru to Tungsten.
I was referring to the strongest tungsten alloy, not pure tungsten. Without specific feats, we can't definitively measure its durability.
It's certainly much stronger than any man-made alloy (the assumption is wrong but used to make a point), but since we don’t know exactly how much stronger, we can't make a proper assumption.
I'm willing to negotiate a reasonable estimate. What would be a fair guess for how much more durable it is compared to tungsten? Would 10x, 50x, or even 100x be a reasonable estimate?
Outside of PIS and CIS, Thanos loses first in this match.
He doesn't have long range attacks, he doesn't have flight, and he doesn't have any healing factor. There's nothing he can do if CM just flies above him and keeps blasting him away. He's going to have a hard time closing the distance against Hela if Hela just spikes him from afar.
So Thanos goes down first.
CM vs. Hela can go back and forth for a bit due to CM's mobility advantage but eventually Hela wins due to her healing. CM can't really do anything to permanently take out Hela, and she'll eventually get hit by a spike or two.
Hela wins.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Outside of PIS and CIS, Thanos loses first in this match.He doesn't have long range attacks, he doesn't have flight, and he doesn't have any healing factor. There's nothing he can do if CM just flies above him and keeps blasting him away. He's going to have a hard time closing the distance against Hela if Hela just spikes him from afar.
So Thanos goes down first.
CM vs. Hela can go back and forth for a bit due to CM's mobility advantage but eventually Hela wins due to her healing. CM can't really do anything to permanently take out Hela, and she'll eventually get hit by a spike or two.
Hela wins.
It's important not to apply a 'no-limits' fallacy to the penetration ability of Hela's spikes. They can only penetrate materials we’ve seen them pierce, or those that are comparatively weaker. In fact, her spikes have been broken by machine gun fire, lightning, and similar forces. Captain Marvel is also more durable than the three characters in question, so I doubt Hela's spikes could pierce her.
Originally posted by h1a8
Although the characters start about 20 feet apart, Thanos should be able to easily block Hela's spikes by spinning his sword to form a shield or just block them normally as the first Asgardian did to Hela. He would also have a good chance to sever a limb or even decapitate her during the exchange.It's important not to apply a 'no-limits' fallacy to the penetration ability of Hela's spikes. They can only penetrate materials we’ve seen them pierce, or those that are comparatively weaker. In fact, her spikes have been broken by machine gun fire, lightning, and similar forces. Captain Marvel is also more durable than the three characters in question, so I doubt Hela's spikes could pierce her.
You say it's important not to apply a "no-limits" fallacy and yet you claim Thanos should be able to easily block Hela's spikes by spinning his sword (something which is far harder than it sounds) and assume that Hela's spikes can't pierce either Thanos or CM when they've been able to penetrate beings like Thor and Surtur.
Originally posted by FrothByte
You say it's important not to apply a "no-limits" fallacy and yet you claim Thanos should be able to easily block Hela's spikes by spinning his sword (something which is far harder than it sounds) and assume that Hela's spikes can't pierce either Thanos or CM when they've been able to penetrate beings like Thor and Surtur.
Thanos was able to block a continuous energy beam by spinning his sword, so blocking some spikes should be significantly easier. Look at 2:21
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I didn't claim her spikes can't pierce Thanos - they can. However, I don't believe they would be able to penetrate Captain Marvel, who is more durable than both Thor and Thanos.
Also he can do what this Asgardian did. Look at 1:30
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Just replace getting smacked with the mace with being decapitated by the sword.
Don't forget Hela can summon spikes large enough to imapale Surtur and still project a few hundred feet out from his body. Thanos can't block those because they're bigger than he is. She can also summon spikes from the ground. And if she can impale Surtur while he's in the process of starting Ragnarok, she can impale Carol.
Originally posted by KingD19
Don't forget Hela can summon spikes large enough to imapale Surtur and still project a few hundred feet out from his body. Thanos can't block those because they're bigger than he is. She can also summon spikes from the ground. And if she can impale Surtur while he's in the process of starting Ragnarok, she can impale Carol.
1. PROPENSITY:
Hela's use of massive spikes was context-specific. She summoned that spike to target a large, stationary object (Surtur) and prevent Ragnarok. Throughout the rest of Thor: Ragnarok, she primarily uses smaller, more targeted spikes against individual enemies, never resorting to anything remotely close to the magnitude of the one used against Surtur. This suggests that she does not typically deploy large spikes in one-on-one combat or smaller skirmishes, even when facing serious threats like Thor or the armies of Asgard. Her decision-making and combat style seem tailored to her environment and the scale of her enemies, meaning there's no clear precedent that she would use these massive spikes in a fast-paced, three-way fight against AGILE and powerful opponents like Thanos and Captain Marvel.
2. CAPABILITY:
The massive spike was summoned when Hela was on Asgard, where her power was at its peak. The relationship between her powers and Asgard is explicitly established in the film, meaning her ability to summon spikes of that scale may have been amplified by her connection to the realm. In this fight, Hela isn't on Asgard, which may diminish Hela's capability to summon such spikes at that scale. Moreover, the spike emerged from water in Ragnarok, implying that environmental factors might play a role. Outside of Asgard and in the absence of these specific conditions, it's uncertain whether she could manifest similarly massive spikes.
3. DURABILITY COMPARISON:
Surtur lacks significant durability feats in the MCU. His appearance and destruction in Thor: Ragnarok make him seem more analogous to heated rock, which Hela could easily impale. Captain Marvel, on the other hand, has proven her durability through multiple high-end feats, such as withstanding the power of an Infinity Stone, surviving a direct hit from Thanos' sword, and flying through Kree ships/ Sanctuary II, destroying them in the process. There's no clear indication that Hela's spikes, even if large, would be able to penetrate Captain Marvel’s energy aura, which has withstood cosmic-level threats. Simply impaling Surtur, who doesn't have comparable durability feats, doesn't equate to being able to damage a character as durable as Captain Marvel.
Originally posted by h1a8
Thanos was able to block a continuous energy beam by spinning his sword, so blocking some spikes should be significantly easier. Look at 2:21
lFIBwzi70gU?si=t3AL0mlC1tuDzH7OI didn't claim her spikes can't pierce Thanos - they can. However, I don't believe they would be able to penetrate Captain Marvel, who is more durable than both Thor and Thanos.
Also he can do what this Asgardian did. Look at 1:30
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Just replace getting smacked with the mace with being decapitated by the sword.
Yes, Thanos blocked ONE continuous energy beam. ONE. Hela can throw dozens of spikes his way, some of them even coming up from the ground.
And if you want to claim Carol is more durable than Thor and Thanos, you'll need to back that up with proof. Because as far as movie feats go, that doesn't seem to be the case.