Originally posted by h1a8
No need to lie. He was indeed a member and peer of the Warriors Three in the MCU, nothing more. Unless you have any on-screen evidence proving that he was the most skilled of the three?
It's pretty clear.
Originally posted by h1a8
No need to lie. He was indeed a member and peer of the Warriors Three in the MCU, nothing more. Unless you have any on-screen evidence proving that he was the most skilled of the three?
It's pretty clear.
Originally posted by h1a8
The argument is that Thanos could potentially win by decapitating her or severing her limbs.Random Asgardians are no more skilled than notable ones like Thor, Loki, Sif, etc. Thanos, however, is more skilled than any Asgardian we've seen.
Sure, possible, but considering she's faster, stronger, more agile and skilled and can literally create unlimited weaponry at will, Thanos is losing 9 out of 10 fights without the help of at least a few stones.
They're still trained warriors and she took them all on. Thanos isn't more skilled than Hela, she has the skills to take on armies alone and win. Thanos had trouble with the Titan seven, Hela would have dominated them in seconds.
Originally posted by Robtard
Sure, possible, but considering she's faster, stronger, more agile and skilled and can literally create unlimited weaponry at will, Thanos is losing 9 out of 10 fights without the help of at least a few stones.They're still trained warriors and she took them all on. Thanos isn't more skilled than Hela, she has the skills to take on armies alone and win. Thanos had trouble with the Titan seven, Hela would have dominated them in seconds.
Thanos is at least as skilled and as fast as Hela, though I would argue he's actually more skilled overall.
His sword is capable of slicing through her weapons, leaving her temporarily defenseless. Thanos can easily defend against her thrown weapons, far more effectively than Hogun did.
You're overestimating Hela's skill based on her fights against Asgardian warriors, where she had clear advantages in durability, healing factor, strength, and her ability to overwhelm them with thrown weapons. Without those advantages, Hogun could have defeated her in seconds when he landed a blow to her face, and Thor would have been able to kill her as well.
In my opinion, the matchup between Thanos and Hela is more of a 50/50 toss-up.
Originally posted by h1a8
Thanos is at least as skilled and as fast as Hela, though I would argue he's actually more skilled overall.His sword is capable of slicing through her weapons, leaving her temporarily defenseless. Thanos can easily defend against her thrown weapons, far more effectively than Hogun did.
You're overestimating Hela's skill based on her fights against Asgardian warriors, where she had clear advantages in durability, healing factor, strength, and her ability to overwhelm them with thrown weapons. Without those advantages, Hogun could have defeated her in seconds when he landed a blow to her face, and Thor would have been able to kill her as well.
In my opinion, the matchup between Thanos and Hela is more of a 50/50 toss-up.
He's extremely skilled, but he's not on par going by their fight scenes, as he's not parkour fighting an entire army with support attack flying vehicles and obliterating with contemptuous ease.
Even if we assume Thanos' sword can cut through her blades, she can literally make new ones with a thought.
LoL. Which movie did you watch? Thor had to flee for his life after Hela crushed Mjolnir. On Asgard she was unstoppable, why Thor had to start Ragnarok, only way to defeat Hela was to have Asgard destroyed. You need a rewatch or two.
Originally posted by Robtard
He's extremely skilled, but he's not on par going by their fight scenes, as he's not parkour fighting an entire army with support attack flying vehicles and obliterating with contemptuous ease.Even if we assume Thanos' sword can cut through her blades, she can literally make new ones with a thought.
LoL. Which movie did you watch? Thor had to flee for his life after Hela crushed Mjolnir. On Asgard she was unstoppable, why Thor had to start Ragnarok, only way to defeat Hela was to have Asgard destroyed. You need a rewatch or two.
You never actually addressed one of my arguments. You ignored it.
Here again :
Originally posted by h1a8You're overestimating Hela's skill based on her fights against Asgardian warriors, where she had clear advantages in durability, healing factor, strength, and her ability to overwhelm them with thrown weapons. Without those advantages, Hogun could have defeated her in seconds when he landed a blow to her face, and Thor would have been able to kill her as well.
That's like arguing Superman is more skilled in combat than Batman just because he's stronger, more durable, and has a variety of other powers.
Being able to throw weapons repeatedly while having high durability and healing isn't the same as having hand-to-hand combat or sword-fighting skills. Many low-skilled fighters could do what Hela did if they had her abilities.
Thor stabbed her in the chest with Gungnir during their one-on-one battle. He would have defeated her if she didn't have a healing factor. Similarly, Hogun struck her in the face with a mace in under five seconds. Without her durability, he could have beaten her then.
Thanos, on the other hand, demonstrated exceptional skill in Endgame, and let's not forget he trained Gamora, who is highly skilled.
Thanos can sever a limb or decapitate her before she has time to form another weapon to block his attack. She requires arm gestures to create weapons, and her arm speed followed by weapon creation to block attacks isn't faster than Thanos can swing his sword.
Hela was Odin's firstborn child and the General of his armies for centuries. And the Asgardians are a warrior race. You really think Hela isn't skilled in combat? Thor himself is an exceptional fighter considering he is 1,500+ and has been fighting since he was a child.
He too was a warrior prince and a general of the Asgardian forces. Hogun is similarly skilled and the best fighter of the W3, with Volstagg being the strongest and Fandral being the brains. And I can confidently say he was the most skilled because the other two got one-shot by Hela. Hogun fought her for quite a while, actually landed hits, took some of his own, and she shot a spike through his back from the ground to finally stop him instead of continuing to fight him head on after killing all the soldiers around him.
Originally posted by KingD19
Hela was Odin's firstborn child and the General of his armies for centuries. And the Asgardians are a warrior race. You really think Hela isn't skilled in combat? Thor himself is an exceptional fighter considering he is 1,500+ and has been fighting since he was a child.He too was a warrior prince and a general of the Asgardian forces. Hogun is similarly skilled and the best fighter of the W3, with Volstagg being the strongest and Fandral being the brains. And I can confidently say he was the most skilled because the other two got one-shot by Hela. Hogun fought her for quite a while, actually landed hits, took some of his own, and she shot a spike through his back from the ground to finally stop him instead of continuing to fight him head on after killing all the soldiers around him.
I previously acknowledged that Hela is highly skilled. My argument is that Thanos is at least equally skilled, and he has a 50/50 chance of winning by severing a limb or through decapitation.
It's not proven that Hogun is more skilled than the other three in the MCU.
Hogun managed to strike Hela in the face with his mace in less than five seconds. Similarly, Thor stabbed her in the chest just moments after their fight began.
Hela isn't untouchable, and Thanos has a fair chance against her.
Originally posted by h1a8
I previously acknowledged that Hela is highly skilled. My argument is that Thanos is at least equally skilled, and he has a 50/50 chance of winning by severing a limb or through decapitation.It's not proven that Hogun is more skilled than the other three in the MCU.
Hogun managed to strike Hela in the face with his mace in less than five seconds. Similarly, Thor stabbed her in the chest just moments after their fight began.
Hela isn't untouchable, and Thanos has a fair chance against her.
And Captain America easily knocked down Thanos and had him squirming on the ground after a few seconds with Mjolnir. The same Mjolnir that Hela casually disposed of.
Originally posted by h1a8
That's like arguing Superman is more skilled in combat than Batman just because he's stronger, more durable, and has a variety of other powers.Being able to throw weapons repeatedly while having high durability and healing isn't the same as having hand-to-hand combat or sword-fighting skills. Many low-skilled fighters could do what Hela did if they had her abilities.
Thor stabbed her in the chest with Gungnir during their one-on-one battle. He would have defeated her if she didn't have a healing factor. Similarly, Hogun struck her in the face with a mace in under five seconds. Without her durability, he could have beaten her then.
Thanos, on the other hand, demonstrated exceptional skill in Endgame, and let's not forget he trained Gamora, who is highly skilled.
Thanos can sever a limb or decapitate her before she has time to form another weapon to block his attack. She requires arm gestures to create weapons, and her arm speed followed by weapon creation to block attacks isn't faster than Thanos can swing his sword.
There was plenty of examples of her fighting skills in the movie. Why ignore them?
Thor, Hogun, and Asgards military are all skilled fighters. Why is it such a low feat being tagged by them. Thanos has been tagged by a lot of people.
Originally posted by tkitna
There was plenty of examples of her fighting skills in the movie. Why ignore them?Thor, Hogun, and Asgards military are all skilled fighters. Why is it such a low feat being tagged by them. Thanos has been tagged by a lot of people.
The term "low feat" is relative and irrelevant in this context. You're missing the point. The aim was to demonstrate that Thanos has a fair and reasonable chance to strike Hela with his sword. It's unrealistic to assume that she is so skilled that Thanos wouldn't be able to land a solid hit on her.
I've already acknowledged that Hela is highly skilled and possesses exceptional combat abilities in a previous post.
Originally posted by FrothByte
And Captain America easily knocked down Thanos and had him squirming on the ground after a few seconds with Mjolnir. The same Mjolnir that Hela casually disposed of.
You have a tendency to exaggerate the facts. Please re-watch the scene.
Cap hits Thanos while Thanos is mid-swing, which has nothing to do with swordplay skill. Cap was already spinning Mjolnir to build up speed, so it's no surprise that he beats Thanos to the punch. Thanos easily blocks Cap's thrown shield afterward. Cap then uses Mjolnir to make the shield hit Thanos from behind, causing him to drop his sword.
Cap manages to block Thanos' punch with his shield and counters with a series of combo attacks, knocking Thanos down again. Eventually, Thanos retrieves his sword and overwhelms Cap (who is armed with both Mjolnir and the shield) in a display of sword skill, where Cap is unable to land a hit and is struck by the sword. From that point, things go downhill for Cap.
I'm not saying Hela can't land a strike on Thanos. My point is that Thanos has about a 50/50 chance against her when wielding his sword. Hela can still defeat him, but in my opinion, the sword levels the playing field and makes it a fairer fight.
Originally posted by h1a8
You never actually addressed one of my arguments. You ignored it.Here again :
That's like arguing Superman is more skilled in combat than Batman just because he's stronger, more durable, and has a variety of other powers.
Being able to throw weapons repeatedly while having high durability and healing isn't the same as having hand-to-hand combat or sword-fighting skills. Many low-skilled fighters could do what Hela did if they had her abilities.
Thor stabbed her in the chest with Gungnir during their one-on-one battle. He would have defeated her if she didn't have a healing factor. Similarly, Hogun struck her in the face with a mace in under five seconds. Without her durability, he could have beaten her then.
Thanos, on the other hand, demonstrated exceptional skill in Endgame, and let's not forget he trained Gamora, who is highly skilled.
Thanos can sever a limb or decapitate her before she has time to form another weapon to block his attack. She requires arm gestures to create weapons, and her arm speed followed by weapon creation to block attacks isn't faster than Thanos can swing his sword.
I directly addressed it and you ignored it as is your MO. Here again: "He's extremely skilled, but he's not on par going by their fight scenes, as he's not parkour fighting an entire army with support attack flying vehicles and obliterating with contemptuous ease."
Hela > The whole Asgardian army and support ships shows her extremely high skills in battle. Then add that Odin used her as a living weapon to conquesr world after world, only adds to her skill level as a combatant.
If we're going to say that being hit at times dictates a lack of skill, then Thanos isn't a good fighter either, as he was hit multiple times but wasn't beaten due to his high durability. This 'being hit' argument works both ways, not just for Hela as you're desperately trying to do.
Thanos was almost killed by Thor and then Scarlet Witch. Almost beaten down by Captain Marvel. He needed assistance each time to survive. The Titan Seven had him beaten too, until Starlord gave him an [accidental] assist.
Originally posted by Robtard
I directly addressed it and you ignored it as is your MO. Here again: "He's extremely skilled, but he's not on par going by their fight scenes, as he's not parkour fighting an entire army with support attack flying vehicles and obliterating with contemptuous ease."Hela > The whole Asgardian army and support ships shows her extremely high skills in battle. Then add that Odin used her as a living weapon to conquesr world after world, only adds to her skill level as a combatant.
If we're going to say that being hit at times dictates a lack of skill, then Thanos isn't a good fighter either, as he was hit multiple times but wasn't beaten due to his high durability. This 'being hit' argument works both ways, not just for Hela as you're desperately trying to do.
Thanos was almost killed by Thor and then Scarlet Witch. Almost beaten down by Captain Marvel. He needed assistance each time to survive. The Titan Seven had him beaten too, until Starlord gave him an [accidental] assist.
Don't forget that Hela is the reason Valkyrie is the only one of her kind left.
Originally posted by Robtard
I directly addressed it and you ignored it as is your MO. Here again: "He's extremely skilled, but he's not on par going by their fight scenes, as he's not parkour fighting an entire army with support attack flying vehicles and obliterating with contemptuous ease."Hela > The whole Asgardian army and support ships shows her extremely high skills in battle. Then add that Odin used her as a living weapon to conquesr world after world, only adds to her skill level as a combatant.
If we're going to say that being hit at times dictates a lack of skill, then Thanos isn't a good fighter either, as he was hit multiple times but wasn't beaten due to his high durability. This 'being hit' argument works both ways, not just for Hela as you're desperately trying to do.
Thanos was almost killed by Thor and then Scarlet Witch. Almost beaten down by Captain Marvel. He needed assistance each time to survive. The Titan Seven had him beaten too, until Starlord gave him an [accidental] assist.
Your argument hinges on her doing a single flip off some stairs BEFORE fighting the army, and you're using that to claim she PARKOUR fought the entire army. Do you realize how absurd that sounds?
She didn't flip or jump around during the rest of the fight. Instead, she relied on throwing weapons for 99% of the battle, while tanking and healing from what should have been critical hits.
Flipping alone isn't evidence of her ability to counter or defend against sword attacks. Thanos can swing his sword far faster than she can flip. If she attempted a mid-battle flip against him, he'd cut her in half.
No one said Thanos is untouchable. The point is he has a 50/50 chance to critically injure her, which implies he could be killed before he lands that hit. That's obvious.
Your last point makes no sense. Thanos nearly being defeated by Scarlet Witch is irrelevant here. Being vulnerable to telekinesis doesn't prove he can't block Hela's weapons or that he doesn't have a chance to land a critical blow on her.
And the fact that Captain Marvel barely phased Thanos also has no bearing on his ability to fight Hela with his sword.
Who even are the Titan Seven? Did they fight Thanos when he was armed with his SWORD?
You're supposed to be sharp, my guy. I'm tired of arguing with nonsense. Come at me with solid points so we can have a real debate.
Originally posted by h1a8
Your argument hinges on her doing a single flip off some stairs BEFORE fighting the army, and you're using that to claim she PARKOUR fought the entire army. Do you realize how absurd that sounds?She didn't flip or jump around during the rest of the fight. Instead, she relied on throwing weapons for 99% of the battle, while tanking and healing from what should have been critical hits.
Flipping alone isn't evidence of her ability to counter or defend against sword attacks. Thanos can swing his sword far faster than she can flip. If she attempted a mid-battle flip against him, he'd cut her in half.
No one said Thanos is untouchable. The point is he has a 50/50 chance to critically injure her, which implies he could be killed before he lands that hit. That's obvious.
Your last point makes no sense. Thanos nearly being defeated by Scarlet Witch is irrelevant here. Being vulnerable to telekinesis doesn't prove he can't block Hela's weapons or that he doesn't have a chance to land a critical blow on her.
And the fact that Captain Marvel barely phased Thanos also has no bearing on his ability to fight Hela with his sword.
Who even are the Titan Seven? Did they fight Thanos when he was armed with his SWORD?
You're supposed to be sharp, my guy. I'm tired of arguing with nonsense. Come at me with solid points so we can have a real debate.
^This is just more shitgames, ignoring feats when convenient and applying special rules. eg It matters if Hela got hit, but doesn't matter if Thanos did.
As for CM vs Thanos, his headbutt did zero to her and she was making him submit, he was forced to pull a sissy-move by using the Power Stone to knock her away to save himself. Watch the film again.
EditL Here. Starts at 02:10
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I know the incel in you has trouble with females beaten males. But it is what it is.
Originally posted by RobtardThis suggests that you're claiming I argued Hela isn't untouchable while Thanos is. Right? Special rules? Well, let's revisit what I said about Thanos.
^This is just more shitgames, ignoring feats when convenient and applying special rules. eg It matters if Hela got hit, but doesn't matter if Thanos did.
No one said Thanos is untouchable. The point is he has a 50/50 chance to critically injure her, which implies he could be killed before he lands that hit. That’s obvious.
I don't see these supposed "special rules." Are you making things up?
Then you said:
As for Captain Marvel vs. Thanos, his headbutt did nothing to her, and she was making him submit. He was forced to pull a cheap move by using the Power Stone to knock her away and save himself. Watch the film again.Edit: Here. Starts at 02:10
LMLJPDPVlUc&abI know the incel in you has trouble with females beating males. But it is what it is.
1. Captain Marvel fighting Thanos unarmed doesn't correlate with Thanos fighting Hela armed with a sword. Your argument isn't connecting.
2. Captain Marvel wasn't able to hurt or even faze Thanos with her strikes. He flung her away like a ragdoll. Captain Marvel is far more durable with her shield aura than she is physically strong. From that scene, it's reasonable to conclude that she could strike Thanos a thousand times without causing any significant damage.
I'm not letting this slide. Here's what you said:
"He's extremely skilled, but he's not on par going by their fight scenes, as he's not parkour fighting an entire army with support attack flying vehicles and obliterating with contemptuous ease."
My post (you ignored) below that reveals either a false implication or an outright misrepresentation.
Originally posted by h1a8
Your argument hinges on her doing a single flip off some stairs BEFORE engaging the entire army, and you're using that to claim she PARKOUR fought the entire army. Do you realize how absurd that sounds?She didn't flip or jump around for the rest of the battle. Instead, she relied on throwing weapons for 99% of the fight, while tanking and healing from what should have been critical hits.
Flipping alone isn't proof of her ability to counter or defend against sword attacks. Thanos can swing his sword far faster than she can flip. If she attempted a mid-battle flip against him, he'd cut her in half.
How does a single flip before engaging the army equate to "parkour fighting the entire army"? And how does that flip demonstrate her ability to defend against sword attacks?