Hela vs Captain Marvel vs Thanos

Originally posted by tkitna
Lol. Carol isn't more durable than Surtur. Also, good luck to Thanos trying to decapitate Hela. As if she doesn't know how to fight.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Yes, Thanos blocked ONE continuous energy beam. ONE. Hela can throw dozens of spikes his way, some of them even coming up from the ground.

And if you want to claim Carol is more durable than Thor and Thanos, you'll need to back that up with proof. Because as far as movie feats go, that doesn't seem to be the case.

The spinning blade can function as a shield, covering Thanos' entire body. Even when stationary, the blade is wide enough to protect the majority of his body.

Regarding spikes emerging from the ground and the claim that Carol isn't more durable than Thor, you should refer to the Propensity, and DURABILITY COMPARISON sections of my previous post. They thoroughly refute this argument.

I'll repeat them here.

1. PROPENSITY:
Hela's use of massive spikes was context-specific. She summoned that spike to target a large, stationary object (Surtur) and prevent Ragnarok. Throughout the rest of Thor: Ragnarok, she primarily uses smaller, more targeted spikes against individual enemies, never resorting to anything remotely close to the magnitude of the one used against Surtur. This suggests that she does not typically deploy large spikes in one-on-one combat or smaller skirmishes, even when facing serious threats like Thor or the armies of Asgard. Her decision-making and combat style seem tailored to her environment and the scale of her enemies, meaning there's no clear precedent that she would use these massive spikes in a fast-paced, three-way fight against AGILE and powerful opponents like Thanos and Captain Marvel.

2. CAPABILITY:
The massive spike was summoned when Hela was on Asgard, where her power was at its peak. The relationship between her powers and Asgard is explicitly established in the film, meaning her ability to summon spikes of that scale may have been amplified by her connection to the realm. In this fight, Hela isn't on Asgard, which may diminish Hela's capability to summon such spikes at that scale. Moreover, the spike emerged from water in Ragnarok, implying that environmental factors might play a role. Outside of Asgard and in the absence of these specific conditions, it's uncertain whether she could manifest similarly massive spikes.

3. DURABILITY COMPARISON:
Surtur lacks significant durability feats in the MCU. His appearance and destruction in Thor: Ragnarok make him seem more analogous to heated rock, which Hela could easily impale. Captain Marvel, on the other hand, has proven her durability through multiple high-end feats, such as withstanding the power of an Infinity Stone, surviving a direct hit from Thanos' sword, and flying through Kree ships/ Sanctuary II, destroying them in the process. There's no clear indication that Hela's spikes, even if large, would be able to penetrate Captain Marvel's energy aura, which has withstood cosmic-level threats. Simply impaling Surtur, who doesn't have comparable durability feats, doesn't equate to being able to damage a character as durable as Captain Marvel.

Originally posted by h1a8
The durability argument is covered in my post before this one.
Thanos doesn't know how to fight? Tell that to Gamora, whom he personally trained, as well as the Hulk, Loki, Ragnarok Thor, and the big three in Endgame, all of whom he defeated or outmaneuvered in combat. Meanwhile, Hela was tagged multiple times in battle, with Thor and the Asgardian wielding a mace serving as clear examples.

And your previous post is a joke. You do know Carol was able to withstand Thano's onslaught with the stones because she was drawing energy and power from those same stones at the time don't you? Also, you brought up the spacecrafts she flew through and destroyed as a feat. The same spacecrafts you argued against as having no established strength or durability feats in a prior thread. What a joke.

And yeah, she took a few shots from some Asgardians. The same Asgardians that she had no fear of because they couldn't damage or kill her regardless. I'm sure she would step it up during an altercation with somebody she had no measure on. She is so much more of a fighter than Thor and other Asgardians that it's laughable.

Last point is the reason she only used giant spikes against Surtur is well,,,,because he was a giant. How many other giants did she fight in that movie? Using smaller spikes against smaller opponents is common sense.

She beats Carol and Thanos without much trouble.

Originally posted by tkitna
And your previous post is a joke. You do know Carol was able to withstand Thano's onslaught with the stones because she was drawing energy and power from those same stones at the time don't you? Also, you brought up the spacecrafts she flew through and destroyed as a feat. The same spacecrafts you argued against as having no established strength or durability feats in a prior thread. What a joke.

And yeah, she took a few shots from some Asgardians. The same Asgardians that she had no fear of because they couldn't damage or kill her regardless. I'm sure she would step it up during an altercation with somebody she had no measure on. She is so much more of a fighter than Thor and other Asgardians that it's laughable.

Last point is the reason she only used giant spikes against Surtur is well,,,,because he was a giant. How many other giants did she fight in that movie? Using smaller spikes against smaller opponents is common sense.

She beats Carol and Thanos without much trouble.

Prove that Carol was drawing energy from the stones. Her flying through spaceships showcases a better durability feat than anything we've seen from Surtur. Hela's tendency to use smaller spikes against smaller foes aligns with her established fighting style. Thanks for backing me up against Froth on that point.

Thor performed well against Hela in terms of skill. In fact, if it weren't for Hela's healing factor, Thor would have won.

Thanos was losing to Captain Marvel 1v1 in Endgame. Thanos tried headbutting Carol to knock her away as Carol had a grip on his hand in the infinity gauntlet. Her energy shield stopped him dead in his tracks, and she was spreading his fingers back in the gauntlet as Thanos was actively trying to close his fist to activate the stones. If it wasn't for Thanos thinking fast and tossing the power stone in his left hand, Carol would snapped his fingers and wrist backwards. Carol wins H2H or from a distance against the purple big bad.

Hela vs. Thanos is more lopsided IMO, as Thanos has no way to take her down with her regenerative capabilities, and she can just spam swords at will.

Hela vs Carol is closer, but I gotta pick Hela in that matchup.

Originally posted by h1a8
Prove that Carol was drawing energy from the stones. Her flying through spaceships showcases a better durability feat than anything we've seen from Surtur. Hela's tendency to use smaller spikes against smaller foes aligns with her established fighting style. Thanks for backing me up against Froth on that point.

Thor performed well against Hela in terms of skill. In fact, if it weren't for Hela's healing factor, Thor would have won.

How do you think she no-sold a headbut from Thanos. Thanos had to rip the power gem out of the glove (that Carol was holding and drawing power from) to break the connection and then he immediately slapped her away. She absorbs energy.

You once again are using the spaceship durability feat when you denounced it in a previous thread. Nobody is forgetting that.

Aligns with her fighting style? Its an ability she uses while fighting yes, but it has nothing to do with her actual fighting skills. Yes, Thor did do well skill wise against her, but I doubt she would fight like that if she was in danger of losing. She even told Thor that she expected more from him and that he was nothing.

Originally posted by John Murdoch
Thanos was losing to Captain Marvel 1v1 in Endgame. Thanos tried headbutting Carol to knock her away as Carol had a grip on his hand in the infinity gauntlet. Her energy shield stopped him dead in his tracks, and she was spreading his fingers back in the gauntlet as Thanos was actively trying to close his fist to activate the stones. If it wasn't for Thanos thinking fast and tossing the power stone in his left hand, Carol would snapped his fingers and wrist backwards. Carol wins H2H or from a distance against the purple big bad.

Hela vs. Thanos is more lopsided IMO, as Thanos has no way to take her down with her regenerative capabilities, and she can just spam swords at will.

Hela vs Carol is closer, but I gotta pick Hela in that matchup.

Thanos holds an advantage over Hela thanks to his sword, which serves both as a powerful offensive tool - capable of potentially decapitating her - and as an effective defensive weapon.

As for Captain Marvel, while I don't see Hela being able to pierce her defenses, Hela is undoubtedly stronger. I'd consider this match-up a stalemate.

Originally posted by tkitna
How do you think she no-sold a headbut from Thanos. Thanos had to rip the power gem out of the glove (that Carol was holding and drawing power from) to break the connection and then he immediately slapped her away. She absorbs energy.

You once again are using the spaceship durability feat when you denounced it in a previous thread. Nobody is forgetting that.

Aligns with her fighting style? Its an ability she uses while fighting yes, but it has nothing to do with her actual fighting skills. Yes, Thor did do well skill wise against her, but I doubt she would fight like that if she was in danger of losing. She even told Thor that she expected more from him and that he was nothing.

The spaceship durability feat demonstrates that Captain Marvel can endure any force up to or below that level. However, it can't be used to show that she can endure forces above that level.

Thanos, however, has a one-shot weapon. While she may seem unbeatable, one strike from him could be all it takes to defeat her.

Originally posted by h1a8
You're just making stuff up. I asked for actual proof. It's possible she shrugged off Thanos' headbutt because she's that powerful - have you considered that?

The spaceship durability feat demonstrates that Captain Marvel can endure any force up to or below that level. However, it can't be used to show that she can endure forces above that level.

Thanos, however, has a one-shot weapon. While she may seem unbeatable, one strike from him could be all it takes to defeat her.

She shrugged off a headbutt while holding the glove, but got swatted away like a fly when Thanos removed the power gem. Hmmm. Wonder how that happened.

What is that level for the spaceships exactly? According to you in another thread, the durability of the spaceships couldn't be measured so it wasn't a good or valid feat.

Hela has weapons and abilites too. A giant spike up Thanos's rearend should do the trick for an easy win.

Originally posted by tkitna
She shrugged off a headbutt while holding the glove, but got swatted away like a fly when Thanos removed the power gem. Hmmm. Wonder how that happened.

What is that level for the spaceships exactly? According to you in another thread, the durability of the spaceships couldn't be measured so it wasn't a good or valid feat.

Hela has weapons and abilites too. A giant spike up Thanos's rearend should do the trick for an easy win.

The power of the Power Gem far exceeds that of Thanos' headbutt.

Here’s a revision with improved clarity:

I never argued that her durability from the spaceship feat couldn't be measured, as long as we're assuming standard Earthly metals like titanium or steel. However, anything beyond that, with special attributes, would need to be proven.

Also, remember the point I was arguing against: someone claimed that Captain Marvel could fly through Doomsday just because she flew through spaceships. Do you agree with that logic?

Originally posted by h1a8
Thanos holds an advantage over Hela thanks to his sword, which serves both as a powerful offensive tool - capable of potentially decapitating her - and as an effective defensive weapon.

As for Captain Marvel, while I don't see Hela being able to pierce her defenses, Hela is undoubtedly stronger. I'd consider this match-up a stalemate.

Spoken like someone who knows nothing about swordplay.

You do understand that a sword is capable of defending against another sword right? Or have you never heard of terms like parries and blocks?

Originally posted by FrothByte
Spoken like someone who knows nothing about swordplay.

You do understand that a sword is capable of defending against another sword right? Or have you never heard of terms like parries and blocks?

So, you're suggesting that I implied Hela wouldn't block or parry some of Thanos' attacks? That's not what I meant at all. Of course, Hela is more than capable of defending herself against sword attacks.

However, let's not forget that Hela isn't untouchable.
She was hit multiple times, even by a random Asgardian. Therefore, Thanos stands a very good chance against her.

Now, having a good chance doesn't mean he'll win every time, but it does mean he could pose a serious threat.

Additionally, Thanos' sword is powerful enough to slice through Hela's weapons, potentially leaving her momentarily vulnerable.

Originally posted by h1a8
So, you're suggesting that I implied Hela wouldn't block or parry some of Thanos' attacks? That's not what I meant at all. Of course, Hela is more than capable of defending herself against sword attacks.

However, let's not forget that Hela isn't untouchable.
She was hit multiple times, even by a random Asgardian. Therefore, Thanos stands a very good chance against her.

Now, having a good chance doesn't mean he'll win every time, but it does mean he could pose a serious threat.

Additionally, Thanos' sword is powerful enough to slice through Hela's weapons, potentially leaving her momentarily vulnerable.

Hela was only hit by random Asgardians when she took on the entire Asgardian army by her lonesome. When has Thanos ever performed a martial feat like that without the assistance of any Infinity stone?

Assuming Hela is just half strength outside of Asgard, she should be more than powerful enough to defeat both.

Not even sure Hela has a healing factor, more so damage just doesn't really damage her. Sword's go in and come out without bother.

IMO, saying "random Asgardians" is a downplay, they were all Asgardian warriors, not bakers and actors.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Hela was only hit by random Asgardians when she took on the entire Asgardian army by her lonesome. When has Thanos ever performed a martial feat like that without the assistance of any Infinity stone?

You might have forgotten the first scene. At the start, she faced off against a lone random Asgardian. He successfully blocked her thrown attacks and closed the distance, managing to strike her in the face with his mace. She quickly recovered and retaliated by kicking him through a brick wall.

Originally posted by Robtard
Assuming Hela is just half strength outside of Asgard, she should be more than powerful enough to defeat both.

Not even sure Hela has a healing factor, more so damage just doesn't really damage her. Sword's go in and come out without bother.

IMO, saying "random Asgardians" is a downplay, they were all Asgardian warriors, not bakers and actors.

The argument is that Thanos could potentially win by decapitating her or severing her limbs.

Random Asgardians are no more skilled than notable ones like Thor, Loki, Sif, etc. Thanos, however, is more skilled than any Asgardian we've seen.

Originally posted by h1a8
You might have forgotten the first scene. At the start, she faced off against a lone random Asgardian. He successfully blocked her thrown attacks and closed the distance, managing to strike her in the face with his mace. She quickly recovered and retaliated by kicking him through a brick wall.

A random Asgardian? Lol. Tell me you haven't watched the MCU movies without telling me you haven't watched the MCU movies.

Yeah, Hogun the most skilled of the Warriors Three is a random Asgardian.

Originally posted by KingD19
Yeah, Hogun the most skilled of the Warriors Three is a random Asgardian.

Yeah, just a random Asgardian. 😆

Originally posted by FrothByte
A random Asgardian? Lol. Tell me you haven't watched the MCU movies without telling me you haven't watched the MCU movies.

Originally posted by KingD19
Yeah, Hogun the most skilled of the Warriors Three is a random Asgardian.