Hela vs Captain Marvel vs Thanos

Started by 9jaboy6 pages

Originally posted by KingD19
It has, actually. The Power Stone is the only reason Ronan survived getting shot by the Hadron Enforcer and having the Dark Aster crash on his head. Both times he was just fine. And without it he is simply a Kree like Dar-Bin or Yon-Rogg. Unless you think all Kree are capable of tanking moon destroying weapons or massive spaceships exploding on top of them.
I disagree. There's no indication that the power stone physically enhanced Ronan or Thanos, strength or Durability.

Originally posted by 9jaboy
After Thanos fought like how many guys, Thor , Cap w/ mjolnir, Ironman, getting crushed by Scarlett witch to the point he had to cry for help? Replace him with CM and she dies horribly.

Overpowered my behind. Coupled that Thanos was distracted by her taking the headbutt.

The real contest of strength was in the beginning of endgame where a "dying" Thanos was literally overpowering her. You should watch it.

Unfortunately, there are scenes that depict each of them appearing stronger than the other, making them peers in terms of physical strength. Both also have durability that exceeds their strength, as neither can harm the other significantly with strikes or energy blasts.

Captain Marvel is at her most powerful in her binary form, with her full force field and energy aura. Without her active force field, her durability is significantly reduced, as shown by the alternate version of her in Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness.

Originally posted by 9jaboy
I disagree. There's no indication that the power stone physically enhanced Ronan or Thanos, strength or Durability.

So your take is that Ronan unamped by the Stone could have tanked the Hadron Enforcer(which is directly stated as powerful enough to blow up a moon) and the Dark Aster crashing, then exploding directly on his head with no problems like he did? Despite him not being anything more than an Accuser, which is a position within the Kree and not a special power or anything. And us having seen other Kree, including other Accusers with nowhere near his level of power?

Since you conceded on her propensity to use Thanos ' and Hell's weaponry effectively....

Since her force field needs to be active, surely you should be using her at her average levels instead of her highest levels?

Originally posted by KingD19
So your take is that Ronan unamped by the Stone could have tanked the Hadron Enforcer(which is directly stated as powerful enough to blow up a moon) and the Dark Aster crashing, then exploding directly on his head with no problems like he did? Despite him not being anything more than an Accuser, which is a position within the Kree and not a special power or anything. And us having seen other Kree, including other Accusers with nowhere near his level of power?
Yes, the Power Stone had nothing to do with it. In fiction, it's common to have characters within a race who are vastly physically superior to the rest of their kind.

And why can't Ronan be physically superior by some other means (tech, etc)? Why must you assume the power stone?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Since you conceded on her propensity to use Thanos ' and Hell's weaponry effectively....

Since her force field needs to be active, surely you should be using her at her average levels instead of her highest levels?

I didn't concede to the effective use of weapons.

I don't recall her force field operating at different levels. Can you provide examples? If it has, then it should be at its highest level since she's a combatant here.

Originally posted by h1a8
Yes, the Power Stone had nothing to do with it. In fiction, it's common to have characters within a race who are vastly physically superior to the rest of their kind.

And why can't Ronan be physically superior by some other means (tech, etc)? Why must you assume the power stone?

Show me where it's stated or proven anywhere that Ronan is as powerful as he is for some reason other than POSESSING THE POWER STONE. Because it's bs and you know it if you just claim "Ronan can tank a moon buster because he's the best Kree ever and Kree are capable of taking that level of damage."

You can't just assume "Oh, he is randomly and undeniably far beyond even the pinnacle of his race with no explanation whatsoever." Especially when we've seen every other Kree including named Kree like Korath, Yon-Rogg, and Dar-Benn have above human abilities, but fall well below Ronan in every category in direct comparison until like in Dar-Benn's case, she gets some equipment to boost her stats. It's almost like she was just a normal Kree until she got the Quantum Bands, an object of immense power. Sorta like Ronan has the Power Stone, an object of immense power.

Originally posted by h1a8
I didn't concede to the effective use of weapons.

I don't recall her force field operating at different levels. Can you provide examples? If it has, then it should be at its highest level since she's a combatant here.

Well you were the one who said it was active, i.e it needed to be activated.

Originally posted by h1a8
Yes, the Power Stone had nothing to do with it. In fiction, it's common to have characters within a race who are vastly physically superior to the rest of their kind.

And why can't Ronan be physically superior by some other means (tech, etc)? Why must you assume the power stone?

We cannot give special attributes to characters without proof. As you say:

Originally posted by h1a8
Special attributes must be proven or they don't exist.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Well you were the one who said it was active, i.e it needed to be activated.

We cannot give special attributes to characters without proof. As you say:

It's almost like h1 twists the rules he invents to suit his own purposes.

Originally posted by riv6672
Originally posted by KingD19

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Well you were the one who said it was active, i.e it needed to be activated.

We cannot give special attributes to characters without proof. As you say:


Yes it needs to be activated.
Ronan has the feats for his special attributes.

Originally posted by KingD19
Show me where it's stated or proven anywhere that Ronan is as powerful as he is for some reason other than POSESSING THE POWER STONE. Because it's bs and you know it if you just claim "Ronan can tank a moon buster because he's the best Kree ever and Kree are capable of taking that level of damage."

You can't just assume "Oh, he is randomly and undeniably far beyond even the pinnacle of his race with no explanation whatsoever." Especially when we've seen every other Kree including named Kree like Korath, Yon-Rogg, and Dar-Benn have above human abilities, but fall well below Ronan in every category in direct comparison until like in Dar-Benn's case, she gets some equipment to boost her stats. It's almost like she was just a normal Kree until she got the Quantum Bands, an object of immense power. Sorta like Ronan has the Power Stone, an object of immense power.


In fiction, there are humans who are far beyond average, like Kingpin or Saitama. There is no direct evidence that the Power Stone enhances physical stats. Your reasoning is purely speculative.

Originally posted by h1a8
Yes it needs to be activated.
Ronan has the feats for his special attributes.

Fictional inconsistencies.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Fictional inconsistencies.

Maybe, but that doesn't matter. It still doesn't prove the claim that the Power Stone amplified him. In fact, it actually suggests that it didn't.