Originally posted by Smurph
Blind people can still punch. Especially when they can compensate with super hearing, as Zod notes at the bottom of that scam.Hulk and Sentry have nothing to do with this thread.
Are you trying to say that characters can block something FTL without moving FTL?
Also, you were just wrong here. Superman was tracking Zod off of sound which means he was moved nowhere NEAR the speed of light.
Originally posted by carver9
"Where does the comic say that". He shows it. "Oh, that's a metaphor".Lmmfao... Why even ask him for proof when you knew you wasnt going to accept it? It's a waste of his time. You knew you wasn't going to accept that sh** from the getgo. No matter what he post.
So tell me when Round 4 ended and Round 5 started.
Originally posted by carver9What are you talking about, you utter troll?
"Where does the comic say that". He shows it. "Oh, that's a metaphor".Lmmfao... Why even ask him for proof when you knew you wasnt going to accept it? It's a waste of his time. You knew you wasn't going to accept that sh** from the getgo. No matter what he post.
He cropped a panel from Wonder Woman 219 and then referred to an out of context line from Wonder Woman 220, trying to imply that "fifteen rounds" made "114 seconds" an incredible feat:
Originally posted by TGATES
That's 15 rounds in 114 seconds.That's NUTS!
When placed in context, it's clear that the two numbers have NOTHING to do with each other. That's why I asked where "fifteen rounds" comes from.
The real waste of time is the bullshitting coming from you and tgates. If the forum wasn't dead I would have already reported the lying.
Originally posted by TGATES
The comic says she did 15 rounds with Kal during that time. Idk how hyperbolic that is, though.That's 15 rounds in 114 seconds.
Let's backtrack a little here. As TGates says, they themselves don't know how hyperbolic that is
https://werewolvesonthemoon.wordpress.com/2013/04/16/an-ugly-metaphor/
Being a writer is like going 15 rounds with an unstoppable leviathan; when you’re a writer, particularly when you’re unpublished
It's a metaphor, to show that one is going the distance.
Are you, Carver9 and TGATES, really asserting that there were 15 distinct rounds of fighting? After 7.6 seconds, a little bell rang, and both fighters went back to their corners for a pep talk, a massage of their shoulders, and some judges went hmmm yes, Kal really outpointed Diana here, but let's see what happens in the next round????
Originally posted by Smurph
oh, lol. That's called a metaphor. "15 rounds" as in what used to be the longest length of a boxing match (now it's 12).But it's still just one match.
Diana's fight with Kal lasted 114 seconds, while he was mind controlled. Zod's entire fight with Rogol Zaar was compressed to a few seconds. No mind control.
Sacrifice doesn't prove that Diana can keep up with full capacity kryptonian speed.
Whats "a few"? lol
Originally posted by carver9Is this you?
Also, you were just wrong here. Superman was tracking Zod off of sound which means he was moved nowhere NEAR the speed of light.
Originally posted by carver9
You forgot to mention Wonder Woman in sacrifice moving so fast that Superman couldn't visually see her. He had to resort to using super hearing to get an indication on where she was.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Let's backtrack a little here. As TGates says, they themselves don't know how hyperbolic that ishttps://werewolvesonthemoon.wordpress.com/2013/04/16/an-ugly-metaphor/
It's a metaphor, to show that one is going the distance.
Are you, Carver9 and TGATES, really asserting that there were 15 distinct rounds of fighting? After 7.6 seconds, a little bell rang, and both fighters went back to their corners for a pep talk, a massage of their shoulders, and some judges went hmmm yes, Kal really outpointed Diana here, but let's see what happens in the next round????
If she can go the distance with a supremely angry Kryptonian while holding back, then what makes you think Zod will win a majority if she is out to kill?
Originally posted by TGATESIdk. Superman says like five times that the entire battle will happen in a matter seconds, that he has "just seconds" to find out about Rogol, "one more second" to understand, and then "a split second" to act. It's the theme of his internal monologue through the whole battle, which is about 5 pages.
Whats "a few"? lol
Originally posted by TGATES
You all also have to keep in mind the "Sacrifice" fight included a trip to the SUN, which is included in the 1 min 54 sec.It takes light 8 min to get from the Sun to Earth!
They were cutting up!!!
You mean Superman was cutting up. WW was literally dragged there.
Sounds convincing though. Zod grabs WW and flies her to the Sun, she's unable to do anything about it, and he sundips, getting even more powerful.
Originally posted by TGATESSuperman carries Wonder Woman in chokehold to the sun and punches her back to earth... and we're calling that a speed feat for Wonder Woman?
You all also have to keep in mind the "Sacrifice" fight included a trip to the SUN, which is included in the 1 min 54 sec.It takes light 8 min to get from the Sun to Earth!
They were cutting up!!!
Originally posted by Smurph
Superman carries Wonder Woman in chokehold to the sun and punches her back to earth... and we're calling that a speed feat for Wonder Woman?
No, just that you have to take that into account. This will no doubt shorten the time of the actual fight when WW starts washing his ass up.
She got licks off him more than vice versa while in superspeed given the time.
So from the time WW regroups inside that crater until when she slits his throat, it is probably LESS than 1 minute 54 seconds. How much? idk
What's to stop her from decapitating Zod with her tiara thrown at super speed?
Originally posted by TGATESFair enough, I guess.
No, just that you have to take that into account. This will no doubt shorten the time of the actual fight when WW starts washing his ass up.She got licks off him more than vice versa while in superspeed given the time.
So from the time WW regroups inside that crater until when she slits his throat, it is probably LESS than 1 minute 54 seconds. How much? idk
What's to stop her from decapitating Zod with her tiara thrown at super speed?
So Diana didn't go 114 seconds with a mind controlled Kryptonian. She spent a good chunk of that getting ragdolled to the sun and back, and the remainder running away.
She did get a good hit in with the tiara 👆 if Carver hadn't driven home the point that Zod can fight full capacity with an open skull and parts of his brain missing, maybe you'd be on to something.
Originally posted by Smurph
Fair enough, I guess.So Diana didn't go 114 seconds with a mind controlled Kryptonian. She spent a good chunk of that getting ragdolled to the sun and back, and the remainder running away.
She did get a good hit in with the tiara 👆 if Carver hadn't driven home the point that Zod can fight full capacity with an open skull and parts of his brain missing, maybe you'd be on to something.
I said decapitation.
Originally posted by TGATES
If she can go the distance with a supremely angry Kryptonian while holding back, then what makes you think Zod will win a majority if she is out to kill?
There is a reason fights with mindcontrolled characters are generally ignored here. Superman, whilst supremely angry, was not fighting to end the fight as swiftly as possible. Goddamn, let's revisit a 20 year old story, lol. AGAIN.
In his own words:
He wanted to prolong 'Doomsday's suffering for as long as he could before killing 'Doomsday'. So hardly the quick clinical death a trained Kryptonian general would give.
Secondly, he was hardly fighting at optimum efficiency. Note where he is using his HV as an example here:
Trying to laser a 10 ft tall Doomsday lol. Which makes sense, as this is what he saw:
And note how he explicily even says he was fighting with no due regard for himself - he was literally just lashing out:
Superman is reduced to an angry toddler in this fight, just lashing out blindly without being able to see/hear anything, no defence moves, and at the same time drawing things out as long as possible.
Completely useless as an example for a fight here where Zod is in a completely different mindset.
Otoh, we saw WW several times unable to stop herself from using her speed, such as being HVd in the facE:
Doesn't matter if she is holding back not to killl him - she clearly references speed (lol) yet still gets her face burnt to the bone.
Or, yhat famed haxx weapon, the lasso, being too slow to trap him:
Again, she isn't holding back on getting that lasso on him. Yet, was too slow to do so.
Ultimately, we ignore the entire fight Supes was mind-controlled - but the evidence is so much stacked in favour of Supes, I really wouldn't bother if I were you, anyway.
And EVEN then......Zod is a completely different beast. With a HF that Deadpool and Wolverine would envy, a completely different mindset and skillset, and with Full Capacity on......