Originally posted by TGATESI guess if Zod agrees to stand still then maybe Wonder Woman can decapitate him
I said decapitation.
What stops Zod from using HV blasts wide enough to level buildings? https://imgur.com/Jrjf48s
Originally posted by TGATESI guess if Zod agrees to stand still then maybe Wonder Woman can decapitate him
I said decapitation.
What stops Zod from using HV blasts wide enough to level buildings? https://imgur.com/Jrjf48s
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
There is a reason fights with mindcontrolled characters are generally ignored here. Superman, whilst supremely angry, was not fighting to end the fight as swiftly as possible. Goddamn, let's revisit a 20 year old story, lol. AGAIN.In his own words:
He wanted to prolong 'Doomsday's suffering for as long as he could before killing 'Doomsday'. So hardly the quick clinical death a trained Kryptonian general would give.
Secondly, he was hardly fighting at optimum efficiency. Note where he is using his HV as an example here:
Trying to laser a 10 ft tall Doomsday lol. Which makes sense, as this is what he saw:
And note how he explicily even says he was fighting with no due regard for himself - he was literally just lashing out:
Superman is reduced to an angry toddler in this fight, just lashing out blindly without being able to see/hear anything, no defence moves, and at the same time drawing things out as long as possible.
Completely useless as an example for a fight here where Zod is in a completely different mindset.
Otoh, we saw WW several times unable to stop herself from using her speed, such as being HVd in the facE:
Doesn't matter if she is holding back not to killl him - she clearly references speed (lol) yet still gets her face burnt to the bone.
Or, yhat famed haxx weapon, the lasso, being too slow to trap him:
Again, she isn't holding back on getting that lasso on him. Yet, was too slow to do so.
Ultimately, we ignore the entire fight Supes was mind-controlled - but the evidence is so much stacked in favour of Supes, I really wouldn't bother if I were you, anyway.
And EVEN then......Zod is a completely different beast. With a HF that Deadpool and Wolverine would envy, a completely different mindset and skillset, and with Full Capacity on......
Just to add -EVERY SINGLE ATTACK WW lands on Superman, is a result of her sneak attacking him. Every single time.
Because he can't see/hear properly in this entire fight. Everything he 'sees' or 'hears' is an illusion.
Tiara flying towards his neck? In his mental illusion, he probably doesn't even register that it's coming at him.
Zod, in full command of his faculties, able to go into superspeed mode and have entire conversations in the midst of battle? Completely different circumstances.
Yep, I was right. He was strategically fighting while in this state and even recognized Diana as a threat and left (was getting that a** whipped yet again)...
Originally posted by carver9
Yep, I was right. He was strategically fighting while in this state and even recognized Diana as a threat and left (was getting that a** whipped yet again)...
The level of retardness here is over 9000.
Originally posted by carver9
Yep, I was right. He was strategically fighting while in this state and even recognized Diana as a threat and left (was getting that a** whipped yet again)...
Your (uncropped) scan also seems to support DS' position about in his halluciating state, Superman didn't operate at optimum level? As he was totally unaware of Diana's presence until she actively engage him
https://ibb.co/q9fyV0p
Originally posted by abhilegend
Getting his ass whipped and it's just her binding an unbreakable lasso around his neck. Superman wasn't seeing Doomsday killing Lois either.The level of retardness here is over 9000.
Originally posted by abhilegendWith narration explaining that he was so focused on Batman (because of mind control), he didn't even register Wonder Woman until she engaged him by wrapping a lasso around his neck.
Getting his ass whipped and it's just her binding an unbreakable lasso around his neck. Superman wasn't seeing Doomsday killing Lois either.The level of retardness here is over 9000.
Carver will probably call that a blitz.
Originally posted by Smurph
With narration explaining that he was so focused on Batman (because of mind control), he didn't even register Wonder Woman until she engaged him by wrapping a lasso around his neck.Carver will probably call that a blitz.
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Carver, that is not the same fight.
In Doomsday scene(when Superman was halluciating), the comic specifically states Superman is half out of his mind because rage and grief
https://ibb.co/LvGvL16Your (uncropped) scan also seems to support DS' position about in his halluciating state, Superman didn't operate at optimum level? As he was totally unaware of Diana's presence until she actively engage him
https://ibb.co/q9fyV0p
Originally posted by carver9
The scan is meant to show Superman still fighting strategically while being mind controlled. Something that MM even points out. I don't think that's the only time it was said either.
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
But it's not the same fight. In the Doomsday scene, Superman is half out of his mind with rage and grief
https://ibb.co/LvGvL16
Duuh, it's not the same fight. It is proof that he was strategic in combat though.
Originally posted by Smurph
With narration explaining that he was so focused on Batman (because of mind control), he didn't even register Wonder Woman until she engaged him by wrapping a lasso around his neck.Carver will probably call that a blitz.
Aren't you the same guy that said all she did in that fight was run. Does this look like running to you? I'm seeing a beat down and it's not her getting beat down either.
Also, Darksaint, Superman is heat visioning in the air because she slapped his head up to avoid his heat vision.
Originally posted by carver9
Duuh, it's not the same fight.
For example, in the Superman fights JL scene you posted, Superman specifically thinks Max is controlling the JL not him.
So he isn't going to let them die/having no intentions to kill them. As you can see him specifically leave Wally to rescue other JLers
https://ibb.co/0MDJxsd
But in the Doomsday scene, he sees Doomsday, a beast Superman hates so much that he wants to torture for eternity.
https://ibb.co/NWj9Mxz
Hence, he is an angry toddler in this fight, his mind is overwhelmed by rage and grief. He is half out of his mind
https://i.ibb.co/mSxSL4t/33.jpg
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Not to the point of Doomsday scene, no.
Originally posted by abhilegend
That was due to her skills and not her speed.That was before Superman was shown Doomsday killing Lois. Rucka straight up said that Diana only had a chance due to Superman fighting like a moron.
“No, she never hits the same emotional level Kal is at in the fight, which is what helps to save her – Superman’s coming at her half out of his mind. He’s not fighting smart. She has to be smart all the way through it, and she’s Diana, so it’s very hard to make her loose her composure – which can be taken as something that’s good for Max…or bad.”
http://comicus.forumfree.org/index.php?&showtopic=14657&st=0&
Except the kryptonite was glowing and even a brief exposure can kill Superman while he was sun amped explicitly. Here he wasn't.
Why? He has already been shown as completely equal to post crisis Superman.
Justice league Tornado's path.
Originally posted by abhilegend
That was due to her skills and not her speed.That was before Superman was shown Doomsday killing Lois. Rucka straight up said that Diana only had a chance due to Superman fighting like a moron.
“No, she never hits the same emotional level Kal is at in the fight, which is what helps to save her – Superman’s coming at her half out of his mind. He’s not fighting smart. She has to be smart all the way through it, and she’s Diana, so it’s very hard to make her loose her composure – which can be taken as something that’s good for Max…or bad.”
http://comicus.forumfree.org/index.php?&showtopic=14657&st=0&
Except the kryptonite was glowing and even a brief exposure can kill Superman while he was sun amped explicitly. Here he wasn't.
Why? He has already been shown as completely equal to post crisis Superman.
Justice league Tornado's path.
Originally posted by carver9
He was fighting strategically every single time but all of a sudden it's turned off in his fight against Diana? Gotcha.
Also
Originally posted by abhilegend
That was due to her skills and not her speed.That was before Superman was shown Doomsday killing Lois. Rucka straight up said that Diana only had a chance due to Superman fighting like a moron.
“No, she never hits the same emotional level Kal is at in the fight, which is what helps to save her – Superman’s coming at her half out of his mind. He’s not fighting smart. She has to be smart all the way through it, and she’s Diana, so it’s very hard to make her loose her composure – which can be taken as something that’s good for Max…or bad.”
http://comicus.forumfree.org/index.php?&showtopic=14657&st=0&
Except the kryptonite was glowing and even a brief exposure can kill Superman while he was sun amped explicitly. Here he wasn't.
Why? He has already been shown as completely equal to post crisis Superman.
Justice league Tornado's path.
