Orion vs. Thor ( H2H) only

Why don’t you sell that trash to someone else? When we see Orion we see a mid to high herald when he leaves New Genesis, we obviously aren’t talking about him in his giant form. Are you dumb, real question. Like I said, you lack the ability to think in a critical level. Orion for example would get handled by Majestic another mid to high herald character. You guys made a big deal after Orion survived the galaxy explosion but when canon facts sway away from your narrative it isn’t impressive like Hyperion momentarily stopping two universes from colliding and then surviving the destruction. That feat makes Orions feat look extremely weak.

Originally posted by Juntai
Orion -is- an Abstract. Every fight between the New Gods is essentially entirely conceptual.

Yeah, NG's are near abstract. They're higher level Gods, as stated in WW #53

Hyper Gods>>>New Gods, though

Originally posted by h1a8
Do you know what an Abstract is?
And what amount of force did Thor block?

Yes, and Beyonders are abstracts, lol.

Originally posted by Stoic
Why don’t you sell that trash to someone else? When we see Orion we see a mid to high herald when he leaves New Genesis, we obviously aren’t talking about him in his giant form. Are you dumb, real question. Like I said, you lack the ability to think in a critical level. Orion for example would get handled by Majestic another mid to high herald character. You guys made a big deal after Orion survived the galaxy explosion but when canon facts sway away from your narrative it isn’t impressive like Hyperion momentarily stopping two universes from colliding and then surviving the destruction. That feat makes Orions feat look extremely weak.

*Two universes apart.

Originally posted by Juntai
Failing to hold two planets apart isnt the great feat you think it is.

Yeah and the fact he dioesn't have many good battle feats

I mean, Susan Storm did the same. And actually has good battle feats too.

Originally posted by carver9
*Two universes apart.

So as a strength feat it's borderline unquantifiable, imo... It is a great durability showing, though. 👆

Originally posted by Galan007
Indeed the planets were each packing an entire universe behind them, and that's exactly why they shattered -- it'd be like pushing an egg up against a house, and thinking the house will move before the egg breaks. IOW, Hyperion only held as much 'universe-weight' as the respective worlds he was pushing against were capable of withstanding before they broke under the stress, and the universes collapsed anyway.

So as a strength feat it's borderline unquantifiable, imo... It is a great durability showing, though. 👆

Him momentarily stopping them is the ft. Yes, they crumbled, but the pause is what should be praised.

Originally posted by carver9
Yes, and Beyonders are abstracts, lol.

Originally posted by carver9
Him momentarily stopping them is the ft. Yes, they crumbled, but the pause is what should be praised.

Rocky planets are not perfectly rigid. As they collide, the crusts and mantles would behave plastically or elastically for a short time under pressure, allowing for compression before reaching the yield point (i.e., shattering or catastrophic failure).

In other words, the planets had some degree of plasticity or elasticity and were compressed to their limit before breaking apart. The brief period during that compression is the window in which we can say Hyperion held them apart.

That's exactly the argument you'd make if Superman performed this feat.

Originally posted by h1a8
If this were Superman, you'd be citing material physics.

Rocky planets are not perfectly rigid. As they collide, the crusts and mantles would behave plastically or elastically for a short time under pressure, allowing for compression before reaching the yield point (i.e., shattering or catastrophic failure).

In other words, the planets had some degree of plasticity or elasticity and were compressed to their limit before breaking apart. The brief period during that compression is the window in which we can say Hyperion held them apart.

That's exactly the argument you'd make if Superman performed this feat.

Hyperion did hold them apart. The rest of your sentence doesnt even make sense. Here we have Cap with the Gauntlet pushing earth back which also pushed the Universe back as well. All of that elastic sh** youre talking about means nothing because we are talking about comics.

The scene states that he held them apart until the planet gave way.

I dont have to worry about if Superman did this or not since this is FAR above his power level to do.

Originally posted by carver9
Hyperion did hold them apart. The rest of your sentence doesnt even make sense. Here we have Cap with the Gauntlet pushing earth back which also pushed the Universe back as well. All of that elastic sh** youre talking about means nothing because we are talking about comics.

https://ibb.co/cPfKmgL

For the love of god, stop trying to act like these showings are at all comparable.

Originally posted by carver9
The scene states that he held them apart until the planet gave way.

https://ibb.co/C56mqnN8

Point being, it does not require the full weight/force of an entire universe to shatter a single planet, lol. Hyperion only held back as much weight/force as the planets were capable of enduring before they crumbled. So again, as a strength feat it's borderline unquantifiable.

Originally posted by carver9
Hyperion did hold them apart. The rest of your sentence doesnt even make sense. Here we have Cap with the Gauntlet pushing earth back which also pushed the Universe back as well. All of that elastic sh** youre talking about means nothing because we are talking about comics.

The scene states that he held them apart until the planet gave way.

I dont have to worry about if Superman did this or not since this is FAR above his power level to do.

Ignoring real-world physics and assuming rocky planets are 100% rigid with zero elasticity and no molten core:

The initial forces pushing the planets must have been low enough for them to withstand the pressure briefly without shattering. Then, the force increased to a level that exceeded their structural limits, causing them to break apart. Otherwise, if the force had remained constant, the planets would never have shattered - since, by definition, a perfectly rigid body can't fail under a steady force.

Originally posted by h1a8
Ignoring real-world physics and assuming rocky planets are 100% rigid with zero elasticity and no molten core:

The initial forces pushing the planets must have been low enough for them to withstand the pressure briefly without shattering. Then, the force increased to a level that exceeded their structural limits, causing them to break apart. Otherwise, if the force had remained constant, the planets would never have shattered - since, by definition, a perfectly rigid body can't fail under a steady force.

You just said ignore real world physics and then mention real world physics. Im guessing Superman and Doomsday was hitting each other at Jubilee level strength since Lois was literally standing right beside them and didnt even suffer a scratch. When I say standing right beside them, im talking about right there. Is Superman going all out weaker than Spiderman? Reduce Superman and Doomsday to street tier and i will reduce Hyperion showing to planetary...

Originally posted by carver9
You just said ignore real world physics and then mention real world physics. Im guessing Superman and Doomsday was hitting each other at Jubilee level strength since Lois was literally standing right beside them and didnt even suffer a scratch. When I say standing right beside them, im talking about right there. Is Superman going all out weaker than Spiderman? Reduce Superman and Doomsday to street tier and i will reduce Hyperion showing to planetary...

The planets weren't destroyed instantly; there was a moment where they withstood the force before shattering. What's the logical explanation?

Either:
1. The planets were pushed to their structural elasticity limits before finally giving way; this makes a lot of sense.
2. The initial force on the planets was lower, allowing them to withstand it momentarily, and then the force increased enough to exceed their durability, causing them to shatter.

Originally posted by h1a8
Superman is using heat vision on Doomsday, and the lack of collateral damage is irrelevant here. I was using logic, not physics.

The planets weren't destroyed instantly; there was a moment where they withstood the force before shattering. What's the logical explanation?

Either:
1. The planets were pushed to their structural elasticity limits before finally giving way; this makes a lot of sense.
2. The initial force on the planets was lower, allowing them to withstand it momentarily, and then the force increased enough to exceed their durability, causing them to shatter.

The concussive force alone that is capable of pushing Doomsday back should've severely injured Lois.

The planets were not destroyed instantly because we are reading comics, not w news article.

It's like Galan's example.

Two cars speed towards me, with eggs strapped to their fronts. I hold the cars apart until the eggs crack and explode. And then the cars crash into me.

Not really a strength feat.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
It's like Galan's example.

Two cars speed towards me, with eggs strapped to their fronts. I hold the cars apart until the eggs crack and explode. And then the cars crash into me.

Not really a strength feat.

I would agree with you if this wasn't said - "he held them apart, UNTIL". So, he did successfully held the planets/universe apart until they gave way. We literally saw on panel the earth being pushed back which was also pushing the universe back as well. Also, again, we are talking about comics, where people can get bitten by a spider and gain extra ordinary abilities.

Originally posted by carver9
I would agree with you if this wasn't said - "he held them apart, UNTIL". So, he did successfully held the planets/universe apart until they gave way. We literally saw on panel the earth being pushed back which was also pushing the universe back as well. Also, again, we are talking about comics, where people can get bitten by a spider and gain extra ordinary abilities.