Orion vs. Thor ( H2H) only

Originally posted by carver9
I would agree with you if this wasn't said - "he held them apart, UNTIL". So, he did successfully held the planets/universe apart until they gave way. We literally saw on panel the earth being pushed back which was also pushing the universe back as well. Also, again, we are talking about comics, where people can get bitten by a spider and gain extra ordinary abilities.

Then why not agree with me? My post literally says I held the cars apart UNTIL the eggs crack and explode.

Hell, you can do this yourself. Grab an egg, put it on a table, and press slowly down on it, UNTIL it breaks.

Did the egg support your full weight as a fully grown man?

Originally posted by Blight
If you hold up a beam as a house is falling on you and the house takes a half-second to fully destroy the beam and then crush you, would you say you held the house up for a half-second?

I would say that the beams did not hold the house as intended. The difference here is, Hyperion did hold the planets apart, temporarily. It's said right there on panel.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Then why not agree with me? My post literally says I held the cars apart UNTIL the eggs crack and explode.

Hell, you can do this yourself. Grab an egg, put it on a table, and press slowly down on it, UNTIL it breaks.

Did the egg support your full weight as a fully grown man?

Because an egg can not hold me, period. It would crack, immediately. It was more at play during this instance. My question is, how can planets drag universes to other universes?

Originally posted by carver9
Because an egg can not hold me, period. It would crack, immediately. It was more at play during this instance. My question is, how can planets drag universes to other universes?

It won't crack as soon as you touched it, lol. You put it on the table, put your hand on it, and start pressing. It won't break immediately. Eggs don't explode as soon as you touch them, lmao.

It will hold, UNTIL you put too much pressure on it, and it breaks. But no-one would say it held your weight, even for a millisecond. It's an egg. It took as much pressure as any other egg would have done in its place, as countless eggs have done before.

You forgot to answer my question.

Because you still haven't answered mine. Eggs don't explode as soon as your fingers brush over them, lol.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Because you still haven't answered mine. Eggs don't explode as soon as your fingers brush over them, lol.

There's a huge difference here. My entire weight was not pressed against the egg whereas in this instance, the full weight of both Universes were pushing the planets. So I agree with you that an egg can not support my body weight, but the full weight of a universe was pushing the planets.

Originally posted by carver9
The concussive force alone that is capable of pushing Doomsday back should've severely injured Lois.

The planets were not destroyed instantly because we are reading comics, not w news article.

1. Why? It's heat vision, not a punch. The fact that the HV has ANY CONCUSSIVE properties tell you how powerful it was. Million degree lasers have very little concussive properties.

2. We use logic. The most reasonable explanation is that the planets reached their structural limits, similar to how materials in a hydraulic press compress before shattering. The planets compressed while he held them apart, and he maintained his hold until they reached their limit and shattered.

At best, Hyperion was stronger than the minimum force required to shatter a planet.

You've challenged Superman's and other DC characters' feats by arguing physics. You can't pick and choose based on what suits you; you have to be consistent.

Originally posted by carver9
There's a huge difference here. My entire weight was not pressed against the egg whereas in this instance, the full weight of both Universes were pushing the planets. So I agree with you that an egg can not support my body weight, but the full weight of a universe was pushing the planets.

The planets were moving slowly toward each other, allowing them to be held apart briefly while being slightly compressed.

Originally posted by h1a8
1. Why? It's heat vision, not a punch. The fact that the HV has ANY CONCUSSIVE properties tell you how powerful it was. Million degree lasers have very little concussive properties.

2. We use logic. The most reasonable explanation is that the planets reached their structural limits, similar to how materials in a hydraulic press compress before shattering. The planets compressed while he held them apart, and he maintained his hold until they reached their limit and shattered.

At best, Hyperion was stronger than the minimum force required to shatter a planet.

You've challenged Superman's and other DC characters' feats by arguing physics. You can't pick and choose based on what suits you; you have to be consistent.

The planets were moving slowly toward each other, allowing them to be held apart briefly while being slightly compressed.

This entire post is garbage but I do want to address one thing. How do you know the planets were moving slow?

Originally posted by carver9
There's a huge difference here. My entire weight was not pressed against the egg whereas in this instance, the full weight of both Universes were pushing the planets. So I agree with you that an egg can not support my body weight, but the full weight of a universe was pushing the planets.

Yeah they're pushing the planets through empty space. UNTIL they meet resistance.

Ok, back to the egg because you're not getting it....your hand is putting the egg on the table, right? UNTIL the egg touches the table, nothing is resisting it, right?

THEN you put it on the table, and then keep pushing down, until it breaks. That's all that happens.

Originally posted by carver9
This entire post is garbage but I do want to address one thing. How do you know the planets were moving slow?

Rebut my post and prove that it’s garbage. Otherwise, you lose the debate.

The planets appear to be moving slowly through space, and there is no indication to the contrary.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
It's like Galan's example.

Two cars speed towards me, with eggs strapped to their fronts. I hold the cars apart until the eggs crack and explode. And then the cars crash into me.

Not really a strength feat.

It's still a decent strength feat(to some extent) because in this case the eggs are planets, but yeah, it's not like Hyperion was throwing around anything remotely close to universe-weight++ or w/e... That argument has always been stupid to me because of how unquantifiable the showing actually is.

It is a really good durability feat, tho. 👆

👆 it really is a terrible feat to try and quantify. what if the eggs were to spheres of steel and ds held the cars apart? now it's a MUCH different feat. who knows how much of the universal forces the planets were able to actually hold? all we know for sure is he held apart enough combined force to shatter two planets. if they were adamantium could he have held them longer? who knows. terrible forum feat. the inference though is (i think) clear--the authors intended to get across the idea that he held the universes apart. in all honesty i don't think the writers were considering analogies.

Nope, they weren't. People are just making a simple comic ft difficult than what it is.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Eggs don't explode as soon as your fingers brush over them, lol.

You really think Derrick would resist your touch?

He'd paint you white in an instant.

Originally posted by leonidas
👆 it really is a terrible feat to try and quantify. what if the eggs were to spheres of steel and ds held the cars apart? now it's a MUCH different feat. who knows how much of the universal forces the planets were able to actually hold? all we know for sure is he held apart enough combined force to shatter two planets. if they were adamantium could he have held them longer? who knows. terrible forum feat. the inference though is (i think) clear--the authors intended to get across the idea that he held the universes apart. in all honesty i don't think the writers were considering analogies.

He held two breakable items apart, until they broke. The inference, though is clear that he survived, not that he held them apart. His durability is top notch. Your usage of steel/adamantium is not quite working (leave the analogies to me!) because the whole scene needs something that is relatively breakable (eggs, or planets) being pushed by something very powerful (the car, or universal incursions).

It's a durability feat, not a strength feat, as I've been saying all along. The feat is that Hyperion survived the destruction of two universes, not that he used his strength to hold off two universes off for an unspecified amount of time.

Why, Invisible Woman did the same, and we even have a timeframe for her, ~5 seconds.

Edit: even IF we want to use leo's steel/adamantium balls (hehe), it still applies, right?

Two cars speeding at each other, with Leo's (steel) balls in front. I am in the middle (of these balls).

I hold the cars apart - until my arms break. By leo and carver's logic, I...held back two cars.

Let's scale it up. Two tanks/fighter jets/aircraft carriers. My shoulders hold them apart - until my arms break.

Are there no limits to DS' shoulder strength?????? Of course, if we agree it is a durability feat, then yeah, my arms wouldn't break. The key point is that whatever is holding the two forces apart, MUST be more durable than what is being pushed apart.

Replace Hyperion with a block of primary adamantium that is Hyperion shaped/sized. Would anyone say that the adamantium's muscles are 'strong'?

problem with what you said is that your arms break. would hype's arms have broken had the planets held? beats me. how much force would it have taken to break his arms? unlike your silly analogy of the cars breaking your arms (a known result based on human biology) we don't know how much it would have taken to break hype. and if you read what i said, i said he held back enough force that 2 PLANETS shattered before he did. iow he didn't fail. the planets failed. it's been crazy watching people degrade this feat over the years, like spiderman could have done it. my point is (and galan's i suspect) is that it's an unquantifiable strength feat. obviously it's a of durability feat as well. but it's just as obviously a massive strength feat. of some sort.

Originally posted by leonidas
problem with what you said is that your arms break. would hype's arms have broken had the planets held? beats me. how much force would it have taken to break his arms? unlike your silly analogy of the cars breaking your arms (a known result based on human biology) we don't know how much it would have taken to break hype. and if you read what i said, i said he held back enough force that 2 PLANETS shattered before he did. iow he didn't fail. the planets failed. it's been crazy watching people degrade this feat over the years, like spiderman could have done it. my point is (and galan's i suspect) is that it's an unquantifiable strength feat. obviously it's a of durability feat as well. but it's just as obviously a massive strength feat. of some sort.

It's a strength feat. The minimum strength required is the minimum force needed to shatter a planet through compression, making it a planetary-level or multi-planetary-level feat.

Originally posted by leonidas
problem with what you said is that your arms break. would hype's arms have broken had the planets held? beats me. how much force would it have taken to break his arms? unlike your silly analogy of the cars breaking your arms (a known result based on human biology) we don't know how much it would have taken to break hype. and if you read what i said, i said he held back enough force that 2 PLANETS shattered before he did. iow he didn't fail. the planets failed. it's been crazy watching people degrade this feat over the years, like spiderman could have done it. my point is (and galan's i suspect) is that it's an unquantifiable strength feat. obviously it's a of durability feat as well. but it's just as obviously a massive strength feat. of some sort.

Yes, I think we both agree on this, actually. What started it all *in this thread*, however, are posts like this:

Originally posted by carver9
*Two universes apart.

And in others:

Originally posted by Stoic
Hyperion momentarily stopped two universes from colliding.

And since you are talking about people degrading it 'over the years':

Originally posted by JBL
So. Hyperion held back two universes.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Standard Hulk matches Hickman's Hyperion who holds two universes apart.

Holding back enough force that is capable of shattering a planet on each arm =/= holding back two universal level forces. THAT'S what I and Galan's egg analogies are talking about.

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