Who can stop... Dr. Flobo!? (read stips)

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Who can stop... Dr. Flobo!? (read stips)

The objective is for you to create an amalgam who can beat my own "Dr. Flobo", using any three(3) heralds from the Tiers list...

Originally posted by Galan007
High
Adam Warlock, Annihilus (/w/ CCR), Asmodel, Atrocitus, Brimstone, Cyborg Superman, Despero, Doomsday (DOS), Doomsday (Gog Wars), The Eradicator (Fortress Mode), Firestorm, Flash (Barry Allen, Wally West, Bart Allen), Genis-Vell, Godspeed, Grail, Grand Regent Thragg, Green Lanterns (Alan Scott, Hal Jordan, Kyle Rayner), Helspont, Imperiex Probes, John Constantine, Majestic, Maxima, Obsidian, Orion, Plutonian, Quasar, Qztr, Sentry (no Void), Silver Surfer, Sinestro, Spartan 3.0, Starbrand, Starro the Conqueror, Talisman, Thor, The Weird, Ultraman, Wonder Woman, Zatanna, Zod, Zoom (Hunter Solomon)

Middle
Abra Kadabra, Alexander Nero, Apocalypse, Baron Zemo (w/ Moonstones), Battle Beast, Beta Ray Bill, Binary, Bizarro Superman, Black Adam, Black Bolt, Blue Marvel, Cable (Full Power), Captain Atom, Captain Marvel (DC), Cassandra Nova, Cheetah, Citizen Steel, Conquest, Count Nefaria, Damage, Damien Hellstrom, Dr. Doom, Eradicator (non-Fortress Mode), Etrigan, Evinlea, The Fallen One, The General (Shaggy Man), Gladiator, Graviton, Grayven, Green Lanterns (Guy Gardner, Icon (Milestone), Jessica Cruz, John Stewart, Katma, Kilowog, Simon Baz, Sodam Yat), Hulk, Hyperion, Invincible, Juggernaut (Classic), Kang, Kid Omega, Kurse, Lobo, Loki, Maestro, Magneto (616), Magus (Post-IG), Manchester Black, Mantis (New God), Martian Manhunter, Mon-El, Mongul, Monica Rambeau (Spectrum), Moonstone (w/ both stones), Morg, Nate Grey, O.M.A.C., Omni-Man, Rachel Summers (Phoenix II), Red Shift, Sersi, Shadowman, Shaman, Skreet, Star Sapphire (Carol Ferris), Stardust, Supergirl, Supreme (original), Ultron, Void (Wildstorm, no Creation Engine power), White Martians, Wildfire, Witchfire (Demon Form)

Low
Absorbing Man, Air Walker, Angela, Animal Man, Apollo, Aquaman, Atlas (DC), The Atom, Big Barda, Blanque, Breach, Captain Comet, Cir-El, Coldcast, Cyborg, Darkness, Deadman, Death's Head 3.0, Death Metal, Dr. Invincible, Dr. Light, Dr. Light II (Kimiyo Hoshi), Dr. Polaris, Drax The Destroyer, Ebony Maw, Enchantress (DC), Enchantress (Marvel), Engineer, Exodus, Fin Fang Foom, Firelord, Flash (Jay Garrick), Frankenstein (DC), Gammid, Gilgamesh, Godzilla, Gorilla Grodd, Granny Goodness, Green Lantern (Soranik Natu), He-Man, Hector Hammond, Hercules (Immortal), Iceman, Ikaris, Isis, Jade, Jack Hawksmoor (in city), Jericho, Jesse Quick, Kalibak, Killer Frost, King Hyperion, Krypto, Lightray, Living Monolith, Loki (Ultimate), Lunatik, Madison Jeffries (BOX IV), Magik, Magneto (U), Major Force, Makkari, Man-Beast, Marrina (Leviathan), Mar-Vell, Matrix Supergirl, Meggan, Metamorpho, Mirror Master, Morlun, Mr. M, Mr. Sinister, Nico Minoru, Nimrod, Nova (Frankie Raye), Nova Richard Rider (current), Parasite, Plastic Man, Power Girl, Prime, Professor X, Proxima Midnight, Raven, Ravenous, The Ray, Red Tornado, Ronan the Accuser, Saint Walker, Saturn Girl, Selene (External), Shadow King, She-Hulk, Skaar, Skeletor, Snowbird, Solar (Gold Key), Solomon Grundy, Starhawk, Starman, Super Skrull, Stryfe, Super-Man (Kenan Kong), Superboy, Supergiant, Tempest, Terrax, Thor (Ultimate), Ultra Boy, Ultra-Humanite, Union, Vision, Vulcan, Weapon H, Wendigo, Wiccan, Winter, Witchfire (Normal), Zauriel


*Dr. Flobo = Dr. Doom + Flash (Wally) + Lobo {Your amalgam cannot consist of any of these characters.}
*No PIS/CIS or any character restrictions like that -- you can go "full-battleboard" with strategies and whatnot.

He ends up with Superman-tier physical stats, is truly immortal and can instantly heal from any injury, has a magical skillset rivaling Doctor Strange, has the mental resilience of a Czarnian with the universal intellect of Reed Richards, can process infinite scenarios instantaneously, can move on an attosecond-by-attosecond basis, has nearly unlimited mystical and technological resources, etc. etc... And as icing on the cake, Dr. Flobo can also create an equally powerful clone for every drop of blood he or the clone(s) spills, which equates to a potentially infinite clone army that he can steal speed from OR lend speed to(*credit to DS for that last tactic*).

*Scenario #1: Dr. Flobo gets 1 hour of prep before the battle. Your amalgam gets no prep.
*Scenario #2: Both amalgams get 1 hour of prep before the battle.

That being said, are there any other amalgam options who might at least be able to rival Flobo, PhD? 😈

{Note}
Anyone can debate for Dr. Flobo as well. IOW, if there is a tactic available to him that I'm not seeing or hasn't been mentioned, feel free to point it out!

It would be interesting to see who picks a telepath and tries to argue that Dr Flobo gets outsped......

Raven might need to be reevaluated.

I'm gonna need a while to think about this, because Dr Flobo is off the charts.

The only real vulnerability (if you can even call it that) I can think of would be to TP attacks, but then you still have to make a telepath themed fusion who can mindrape Dr Flobo before he blitzes them either physically or with enhanced speed magic, which is hard because Flash is pretty much the speed god. Plus Lobo is very resistant to TP and Doom has some kind of mystical resistance as well IIRC, so even if my fusion could actually outspeed Dr Flobo with their mental attacks, theres a good chance he could tank them anyway.

Plus giving Dr Flobo 1 hour of prep time makes it even harder, because if he knows what fusion he's fighting he can just prep for those powers specifically before. Need to think about this.

okay i'll bite.

silver surfer+cassandra nova+zoom (hunter zolomon)

surfer gives me extreme physicals and versatility with the pc. cassandra gives me the greatest tp on the list. zoom makes me faster than wally. i don't need to be the most powerful amalgam, just powerful enough to beat dr flobo in a fight.

Originally posted by DeadpoolXXX
okay i'll bite.

silver surfer+cassandra nova+zoom (hunter zolomon)

surfer gives me extreme physicals and versatility with the pc. cassandra gives me the greatest tp on the list. zoom makes me faster than wally. i don't need to be the most powerful amalgam, just powerful enough to beat dr flobo in a fight.

Ah I missed Zoom in there. I think this fusion has a pretty good chance actually.

Also what is meant by "If needed" Dr. Flobo gets 1hr of prep time? Because Flash can squeeze centuries into an hour.

Re: Who can stop... Dr. Flobo!?

Originally posted by Galan007

If you're already hard-pressed just to beat one Dr. Flobo, imagine when blood-cloning at superspeed enters the chat. vin

Originally posted by Infinaut616
Also what is meant by "If needed" Dr. Flobo gets 1hr of prep time? Because Flash can squeeze centuries into an hour.
IOW, Dr. Flobo is given a moment to assess the amalgam he's facing. If Flobo then deems it necessary, he is allowed 1 hour of prep time -- this must be decided prior to the battle itself, obvs.

And per the forum rules: prep time is relative to the character, and no form of time manipulation can be used to prolong it(ie. 1 hour means 1 hour.) So if Dr. Flobo finishes his hour-worth of prep time in a nanosecond(relative to the outside), then so be it.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
👆

Such is the power of.... DR. FLOBO!! evillaugh

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Magik

The Atom

Can we include characters who are less powerful than heralds and don't show up in the herald tiers?

Telepathy or some form of BFR is the only way to defeat Flobo. However, the catch is that he gets one hour of preparation. To put this into perspective, an attosecond compared to a second is like a second compared to 31.7 billion years. Therefore, one hour for Flobo equates to roughly 11 trillion years of preparation - more than 8,000 times the age of the universe.

Originally posted by Smurph
Can we include characters who are less powerful than heralds and don't show up in the herald tiers?
If you have to, I suppose... But I was trying to stick mainly to the list, as to avoid confusion.

Originally posted by h1a8
However, the catch is that he gets one hour of preparation. To put this into perspective, an attosecond compared to a second is like a second compared to 31.7 billion years. Therefore, one hour for Flobo equates to roughly 11 trillion years of preparation - more than 8,000 times the age of the universe.
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Originally posted by Galan007
And per the forum rules: prep time is relative to the character, and no form of time manipulation can be used to prolong it(ie. 1 hour means 1 hour.) So if Dr. Flobo finishes his hour-worth of prep time in a nanosecond(relative to the outside), then so be it.

Aquarian, Zoom, Silver Surfer.

Im faster than you, so I would blitz over while having my Aquarian shield active, that would also turn off all of your abilities. With Surfer powers, I would just turn you into atoms while having each atom wrapped in Aquarius energy (so that your cloning powers wont work) and disperse you across the universe.

Yes, Surfer has shown he can turn beings into atoms, and yes, Surfer is able to transfer powers over to others. Easy win..

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
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Magik

The Atom

Nice. What's your strat?

Originally posted by carver9
Aquarian, Zoom, Silver Surfer.

Im faster than you, so I would blitz over while having my Aquarian shield active, that would also turn off all of your abilities. With Surfer powers, I would just turn you into atoms while having each atom wrapped in Aquarius energy (so that your cloning powers wont work) and disperse you across the universe.

Yes, Surfer has shown he can turn beings into atoms, and yes, Surfer is able to transfer powers over to others. Easy win..

I like where you're going here. 👆

So in this case I would activate my prep time. I would use it to first create a single clone from a drop of my blood. I would then give my clone(s) the directive to create as many more clones as possible during my prep phase, by having them each bleed-out. Conservatively, each clone should be able to produce a few-hundred-thousand more clones(and that's aside from any multiplication/illusion hexes I might conjure.) With each and every clone doing this continuously for an hour at superspeed, I could raise... Quite the Flobo army, to say the least.

While my clones were building a vast army of me's, I'd be calculating infinite scenarios in order to determine my best options. In this case I think sheer numbers + some passive BFR spells/tech + kinetic energy drain would do the trick.

Also, has Aquarian's null-field ever gone up against magic?

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{Note} (and I'll add this to the OP as well)
Anyone can debate for Dr. Flobo as well. IOW, if there is a tactic available to him that I'm not seeing or hasn't been mentioned, feel free to point it out!

Lmmfao... That's cheating.

Originally posted by Galan007
If you have to, I suppose... But I was trying to stick mainly to the list, as to avoid confusion.

Ok. I was thinking of the same amalgam as DarkSaint with one change:

Zoom
Magik
ForgetMeNot

I figure FMN should hinder prep time because Dr. Flobo can't remember who he's facing. 👆

Then the strat is basically an impossible to track or remember ZoomikMeNot going for the blitz Limbo dump. The soul sword should deal with any magic defenses, and once everybody is in Limbo, it's game over.

Can I use characters that is not on this list but is within this tier?

Originally posted by Smurph
Ok. I was thinking of the same amalgam as DarkSaint with one change:

Zoom
Magik
ForgetMeNot

I figure FMN should hinder prep time because Dr. Flobo can't remember who he's facing. 👆

Then the strat is basically an impossible to track or remember ZoomikMeNot going for the blitz Limbo dump. The soul sword should deal with any magic defenses, and once everybody is in Limbo, it's game over.

Adding FMN is a great choice. 👆

But if ZoomikMeNot is standing right in front of Dr. Flobo during the assessment phase, he'd then decide if prep time was in order. If Flobo decides to enter the prep phase, he would definitely forget about ZoomikMeNot's existence right away(literally out of sight, out of mind.) However, because he would still be in the prep phase, Dr. Flobo should still recognize that he must have previously decided to use prep for a reason, and would undoubtedly have *some* sort of default prep plans/contingencies in place(which would likely entail spamming clones at the bare minimum.)

...Unless Dr. Flobo's Doom-tech happened to auto-record the assessment process and can appropriately play it back for him(I know some tech 'remembers' FMN, and some doesn't.) Then Flobo obviously would remember who he's up against, and could prep accordingly. /shrug

Originally posted by carver9
Can I use characters that is not on this list but is within this tier?
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Originally posted by Galan007
If you have to, I suppose... But I was trying to stick mainly to the list, as to avoid confusion.

Zoom (he's a staple that will have to be in every fusion to have a chance)
Firestorm
Cassandra Nova

With Zoom I can think and react faster. With Firestorm I can become intangible, so Dr Flobo's numbers wouldn't matter because none of them can touch me. With Cassandra Nova I can mindrape FTW.

If that's your strat you might be better off using MMH.

Just as much intangible, but extra mental might.

I'm not sure if Doom has a way to pass his knowledge into each of the clones. If he does, then Cassandra Nova could still do plenty of damage, but there's a more than zero chance that one of those many many many many opponents pulls off an ovoid mind transfer. Especially given Cassandra's history with that sort of sucker punch when she's confident.