Who can stop... Dr. Flobo!? (read stips)

Originally posted by Infinaut616
Zoom (he's a staple that will have to be in every fusion to have a chance)
Firestorm
Cassandra Nova

With Zoom I can think and react faster. With Firestorm I can become intangible, so Dr Flobo's numbers wouldn't matter because none of them can touch me. With Cassandra Nova I can mindrape FTW.

Only thing I would nitpick is the intangibility angle. That has always been a very... Tricky and unstable ability for FS to use, hence why he's never used intangibility for more than a few moments at a time. So something like that might work at first, but it's not really a sustainable tactic at all(even IF Dr. Flobo couldn't come up with a direct counter for it.) Like Smurph said, MMH would be better for this strat.

As for the mind-phuckery: Lobo has crazy resistance to TP, and you'd potentially be facing millions/billions of Lobo-minds...That are also moving at Wally-speeds... And are also spamming Doom-magics/tech. That pesky prep time I've allotted to Dr. Flobo is meant to make this more of an uphill battle for you. 👆

Originally posted by Galan007
Nice. What's your strat?

Having seen my amalgam, is Flobo going to use Prep against The Magic ZoomAto?

Also, most importantly:

😂

Thank you 😍

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Having seen my amalgam, is Flobo going to use Prep against The Magic ZoomAto?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Also, most importantly:

Pure gold. 👆

I'd assume going to Limbo isn't self-BFR....

But really, it's a combination of magic- immunity (as Atom demonstrated, magic doesn't work on him when he's the size of a theoretical particle), microscopic stepping stones insideFlobo's brain, and the Soulsword for a magical lobotomy (which leaves zero blood).

All directed from Limbo, where time moves differently and the rules of physics etc all obey ZoomAto's whims. She can even look back in time, to see what the prep entails, and attack at different points in the timeline, whilst being safe from time shenanigans herself as Zoom lives in his own timeline.

The issue people overlook is that Flobo can steal speed, effectively turning the amalgam into a statue. He can also become intangible.

What tier would we put Theo Storm, Loser?

Originally posted by h1a8
The issue people overlook is that Flobo can steal speed, effectively turning the amalgam into a statue. He can also become intangible.

People also overlook that Zoom is being used, someone who Wally explicitly couldn't steal speed from.

Here's my amalgam:
Zoom + Barry Allen + Cassandra Nova = Zovallen

Remember how Fox Quicksilver could move at normal speed while everything around him was frozen, yet still zip around at super speed within that slowed time? This amalgam operates on the same principle - superspeed inside an already slowed-down time perception.

Zoom will slow time to a level where he nearly matches Flobo, but within that dilation, Barry will still retain his super speed (since Zoom himself lacks true superspeed). This creates a layered speed advantage, making my amalgam orders of magnitude faster than Flobo.

From there, Cassandra Nova takes over.

Originally posted by Smurph
If that's your strat you might be better off using MMH.

Just as much intangible, but extra mental might.

I'm not sure if Doom has a way to pass his knowledge into each of the clones. If he does, then Cassandra Nova could still do plenty of damage, but there's a more than zero chance that one of those many many many many opponents pulls off an ovoid mind transfer. Especially given Cassandra's history with that sort of sucker punch when she's confident.

But I also forgot that intangibility was also past of Dr Flobo's powers because of Flash. So disregard anyway lol. 😮

Originally posted by Galan007
The objective is for you to create an amalgam who can beat my own "Dr. Flobo", using any three(3) heralds from the Tiers list...

*No PIS/CIS or any character restrictions like that -- you can go "full-battleboard" with strategies and whatnot.
*If needed, Dr. Flobo gets 1hr of prep before fighting your amalgam.
*Dr. Flobo = Dr. Doom + Flash (Wally) + Lobo {Your amalgam cannot consist of any of these characters.}

He ends up with Superman-tier physical stats, is truly immortal and can instantly heal from any injury, has a magical skillset rivaling Doctor Strange, has the mental resilience of a Czarnian with the universal intellect of Reed Richards, can process infinite scenarios instantaneously, can move on an attosecond-by-attosecond basis, has nearly unlimited mystical and technological resources, etc. etc... And as icing on the cake, Dr. Flobo can also create an equally powerful clone for every drop of blood he or the clone(s) spills(which means a potentially infinite army of Flobos[Flobi?].)

That being said, are there any other amalgam options who might at least be able to rival Flobo, PhD? 😈

You amalgamate Doctor Doom and Lobo and Wally West, then you amalgamate their souls. Their souls are individually and collectively subject to condemnation to Hell. Doctor Doom has made deals with demons and his soul is destined for Hell. Lobo is no innocent and ought to be destined to Hell also. And Wally West's actions during Heroes in Crisis are indefensible. Separately or collectively, they all can be condemned to Hell for their sins.

And even if you were to argue Wally West was somehow relieved/redeemed of his unforgivable actions during Heroes in Crisis, there are plenty of DC Vertigo storylines that routinely condemned otherwise "innocent souls" because they were collaterally caught up in accursed shenanigans. A theoretically pure Wally West soul should not immunize Dr. Flobo from exorcism to Hell.

Speedforce Constantine only needs to exorcise Dr. Flobo to Hell before Dr. Flobo kills him. And even if Dr. Flobo could eventually escape Hell -- as Doom has individually done so through plot contrivance -- I don't see Dr. Flobo doing so before their banishment to Hell is considered a BFR win via traditional KMC rules.

Otherwise, add on Bart Allen as the 3rd piece to dominate the superspeed issue. But frankly, Barry Allen should simply negate Wally West so adding another Speedforce user is overkill. I might argue that a more effective 3rd piece would be another character who could tip the scales of soul-based exorcism, e.g., Adam Warlock, Asmodel, either DC/Marvel Enchantresses, Loki, Nico Minoru, Raven, Wiccan, Zatanna, etc.

How would Ghost Rider Penance stare fair against Doom (Lobo and Flash would obviously feel the attack, Doom is the problem)?

Originally posted by carver9
How would Ghost Rider Penance stare fair against Doom (Lobo and Flash would obviously feel the attack, Doom is the problem)?

I don't even think it would phase Lobo, tbh. Doom miiight actually feel guilty for his mom, maybe. But Lobo?

He actually enjoys Hell.

Zoom - General Eiling - Prof X

Originally posted by ODG
John Constantine + any DC Speedforce-user like Barry Allen. I'd argue you don't really need a 3rd character to be amalgamated unless you want to pile on.

You amalgamate Doctor Doom and Lobo and Wally West, then you amalgamate their souls. Their souls are individually and collectively subject to condemnation to Hell. Doctor Doom has made deals with demons and his soul is destined for Hell. Lobo is no innocent and ought to be destined to Hell also. And Wally West's actions during Heroes in Crisis are indefensible. Separately or collectively, they all can be condemned to Hell for their sins.

And even if you were to argue Wally West was somehow relieved/redeemed of his unforgivable actions during Heroes in Crisis, there are plenty of DC Vertigo storylines that routinely condemned otherwise "innocent souls" because they were collaterally caught up in accursed shenanigans. A theoretically pure Wally West soul should not immunize Dr. Flobo from exorcism to Hell.

Speedforce Constantine only needs to exorcise Dr. Flobo to Hell before Dr. Flobo kills him. And even if Dr. Flobo could eventually escape Hell -- as Doom has individually done so through plot contrivance -- I don't see Dr. Flobo doing so before their banishment to Hell is considered a BFR win via traditional KMC rules.

Otherwise, add on Bart Allen as the 3rd piece to dominate the superspeed issue. But frankly, Barry Allen should simply negate Wally West so adding another Speedforce user is overkill. I might argue that a more effective 3rd piece would be another character who could tip the scales of soul-based exorcism, e.g., Adam Warlock, Asmodel, either DC/Marvel Enchantresses, Loki, Nico Minoru, Raven, Wiccan, Zatanna, etc.

Originally posted by h1a8
Here's my amalgam:
Zoom + Barry Allen + Cassandra Nova = Zovallen

Remember how Fox Quicksilver could move at normal speed while everything around him was frozen, yet still zip around at super speed within that slowed time? This amalgam operates on the same principle - superspeed inside an already slowed-down time perception.

Zoom will slow time to a level where he nearly matches Flobo, but within that dilation, Barry will still retain his super speed (since Zoom himself lacks true superspeed). This creates a layered speed advantage, making my amalgam orders of magnitude faster than Flobo.

From there, Cassandra Nova takes over.

Against billions of psychic resistant Lobos, any one of whom could transfer you into a crippled Dr Flobo (Dr ....SloWest*)?

Tricky. Not to mention, Dr Flobo could speedsteal from his clones, bumping OG Flobo up to insane levels.

On a more general note, I find it interesting that when it came down to it, everyone recognises that the only way to beat a speedster like Flash...is to get another speedster in the mix. Nobody has picked WW, nobody has picked Hulk, nobody has picked a telepath on their own (even with Grodd available, a proven telepath who regularly, in comics, takes Wally out), no Marvel speedsters like Gladiator etc....everyone picks Zoom as their best chance of beating an amalgam with Wally in it.

* Yes, I did this just to get a new amalgamated name.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
On a more general note, I find it interesting that when it came down to it, everyone recognises that the only way to beat a speedster like Flash...is to get another speedster in the mix. Nobody has picked WW, nobody has picked Hulk, nobody has picked a telepath on their own (even with Grodd available, a proven telepath who regularly, in comics, takes Wally out), no Marvel speedsters like Gladiator etc....everyone picks Zoom as their best chance of beating an amalgam with Wally in it.

Originally posted by Parmaniac
That might have something to do with the fact that Wally is only in for the speed in this amalgam? I'm pretty sure Doom provides some TP resistance / Immunity, so guys like Grodd are useless to begin with.

He does, but Grodd, consistently in comics, is able to react to and tag one of the fastest heralds in comics.

Yet no one would pick him and say well, before Doom or Lobo can enact any TP defence, he gets mindraped. Everyone seems to recognise that him mindraping Flash seems to be a losing strat when in a forum fight.....

Unless people are saying Doom + Lobo = complete and utter immunity to TP.