Who can stop... Dr. Flobo!? (read stips)

Originally posted by Juntai
Lobo is banned from Heaven and Hell and is to be collected under no circumstances.

... after all, Constantine conned Hell into refusing his completely damned soul in Dead in America.

Guess that immunizes Dr. Flobo from damnation towards Hell. 👆

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
He does, but Grodd, consistently in comics, is able to react to and tag one of the fastest heralds in comics.

Yet no one would pick him and say well, before Doom or Lobo can enact any TP defence, he gets mindraped. Everyone seems to recognise that him mindraping Flash seems to be a losing strat when in a forum fight.....

Unless people are saying Doom + Lobo = complete and utter immunity to TP.

Because a simpler option in this tripartite amalgam is to just choose another Speedforce user and not get into any arguments of speed of thought vs. speed of light+?

This strikes me as you overanalyzing at best, and reverse-projecting your own motivations onto others at worst.

What else is there to analyze on this dead forum? Carver's latest mistakes? Mind's latest drug-induced misogyny? You and abhi's constant use of n1gga and phag? My lack of friends?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Against billions of psychic resistant Lobos, any one of whom could transfer you into a crippled Dr Flobo (Dr ....SloWest*)?

Tricky. Not to mention, Dr Flobo could speedsteal from his clones, bumping OG Flobo up to insane levels.

On a more general note, I find it interesting that when it came down to it, everyone recognises that the only way to beat a speedster like Flash...is to get another speedster in the mix. Nobody has picked WW, nobody has picked Hulk, nobody has picked a telepath on their own (even with Grodd available, a proven telepath who regularly, in comics, takes Wally out), no Marvel speedsters like Gladiator etc....everyone picks Zoom as their best chance of beating an amalgam with Wally in it.

* Yes, I did this just to get a new amalgamated name.

And yeah, of course Zoom is the go-to for most(he would have been my first pick for Flobo's speedster component, but I wanted Wally's added Speed Force haxx)... Because deep down everyone knows how inconsequential power alone is, if you're too slow to touch your opponent -- especially in a thread with no character restrictions, like this. It's the "silent truth" of KMC, if you will.

IOW, if a character cannot perceive/react/think faster than Dr. Flobo, then good luck proving they can mount any sort of legitimate counterattack at all... Nevermind proving they can tank, say, a few-hundred-million clones delivering consecutive IMPs(not even Nix "Supergod" Uotan could tank that sort of thing)... In conjunction with a few-hundred-million more actively draining kinetic energy... In conjunction with a few-hundred-million more preforming esoteric magical(or technological) binding/illusion/multiplication spells or whatever... In conjunction with a few-hundred-million more delivering lethal phase-based attacks and the like, (etc. etc. etc.)... All taking place within the first attosecond of the battle.

...Meanwhile, "Flobo-Prime", with his speed and perceptions now enhanced to unfathomable levels after absorbing the collective speed of hundreds of millions more clones, just sits atop his metaphysical perch, watching this attosecond-long battle unfold in super-slo-mo, continuously cal'cing infinite scenarios to see if his strategy needs to be altered in-between attoseconds... And while Flobo-Prime is in some ways a vital piece of the puzzle, he's ultimately expendable. All I need is for one drop of blood to survive, and Dr. Flobo lives on! 👆

the problem is the prep and cloning ability in general. because a single flobo is already hard to get around, but still possible. an army of flobo's is a way different story though.

Originally posted by DeadpoolXXX
the problem is the prep and cloning ability in general.

1. According to the OP, Flobo gets an hour of prep time as he perceives it, which equates to operating at human-level speed within a literal hour. Therefore, the number of clones he can create is inherently limited by that timeframe.

2. I'm shocked that no one critiqued my amalgam. It clearly demonstrates that a second from Flobo's perspective be equivalent to billions of years from my amalgam's perspective. That means by amalgam can Metroman freeze him for billions of years. However, Cassandra Nova only needs a few seconds within that billions of years to do her thing to Flobo.

Originally posted by h1a8
Here's my amalgam:
Zoom + Barry Allen + Cassandra Nova = Zovallen

Remember how Fox Quicksilver could move at normal speed while everything around him was frozen, yet still zip around at super speed within that slowed time? This amalgam operates on the same principle - superspeed inside an already slowed-down time perception.

Zoom will slow time to a level where he nearly matches Flobo, but within that dilation, Barry will still retain his super speed (since Zoom himself lacks true superspeed). This creates a layered speed advantage, making my amalgam orders of magnitude faster than Flobo.

From there, Cassandra Nova takes over.

Ok, here's a new proposition: Fantomex + Maxwell Lord + Barry Allen.

Speed isn't an issue given Barry can effectively negate/match Wally and, well... this stratagem has more to do with the mind anyway. A simple physical flesh wound on Dr. Flobo to invoke the blood-cloning ability is the first step. Which Dr. Flobo might have already done or, if they haven't, even welcome as they'd think it only increases his own odds of victory.

The second step is Fantomex and Maxwell Lord's unmatched misdirection & telepathy powers instantly implanting suggestions into every clone amplifying Doctor Doom's intrinsic ego while also inserting the notion that there is a single "prime" Dr. Flobo amongst the clones.

Doctor Doom's inflated ego would never countenance him not being uniquely superior and would naturally try to eliminate any blood-clone seeking to supplant the "prime" Dr. Flobo. And this affliction affects every single blood-clone. They'd be more concerned with destroying each other than fighting their actual opponent because the opponent is the "lesser threat" due to their inflated ego. And they might realize that nullifying their blood-cloning ability is the quickest avenue to narrowing the field to a single "prime" Dr. Flobo. They might actually do it too.

In which case, the amalgam Fantomex + Maxwell Lord + Barry Allen character sits back and let's them destroy themselves.

Originally posted by h1a8
1. According to the OP, Flobo gets an hour of prep time as he perceives it, which equates to operating at human-level speed within a literal hour. Therefore, the number of clones he can create is inherently limited by that timeframe.

Even if my initial clone "only" produced, say, 50,000 drops of blood(which really isn't much at all, especially with Lobo's HF + the directive to do this continuously for an hour at superspeed), and then those 50,000 clones did the exact same thing, that already puts my numbers at 2.5 BILLION. If those clones then did the same thing, it puts my numbers at...well...tell me what 2.5b x 50k is. 🙂

...And that all takes place within the first few seconds(hell, you can even say minutes if you want) of Dr. Flobo's prep phase. You could very well end up with a multiverse-worth of clones in an hour if Flobo went really hard. 👆

Originally posted by h1a8
1. According to the OP, Flobo gets an hour of prep time as he perceives it, which equates to operating at human-level speed within a literal hour. Therefore, the number of clones he can create is inherently limited by that timeframe.

2. I'm shocked that no one critiqued my amalgam. It clearly demonstrates that a second from Flobo's perspective be equivalent to billions of years from my amalgam's perspective. That means by amalgam can Metroman freeze him for billions of years. However, Cassandra Nova only needs a few seconds within that billions of years to do her thing to Flobo.

I did.

Wally jumped up to Zoom's level by speedstealing from 'lesser' speedsters - Jay, Bart and Jesse, iirc.

Now he gets to speedsteal from a billion Wallys. He'd be FAR in excess of Barry/Zoom.

Plus, mind transfer into a booby trapped clone body. With prep, Flobo could have a spell - the 'attosecond' after a clone (any clone) gets it's consciousness swapped out, a spell activates which renders all their limbs immobile, all memories wiped, unable to speak or move, etc etc. then with billions of clones on the field, only one needs to make eye contact with your character and it's over.

Okay, new amalgam..

Zoom
Cyborg Superman
Nate Grey

Name: TBD

Zoom. I need him for the speed and perceptions of course.
Cyborg Superman. He gives me the ability to take control of Dr Flobo's armor with technopathy (I'm guessing he's still wearing Doom style armor right?)
Nate Grey. The ability to mindrape, along with other psi options to amp my attack and defense. He also has that weird ability to step into planck time.

So I am faster than Flobo, I can hack his armor, and I can mindrape him.

Originally posted by Infinaut616
Okay, new amalgam..

Zoom
Cyborg Superman
Nate Grey

Name: TBD

Zoom. I need him for the speed and perceptions of course.
Cyborg Superman. He gives me the ability to take control of Dr Flobo's armor with technopathy (I'm guessing he's still wearing Doom style armor right?)
Nate Grey. The ability to mindrape, along with other psi options to amp my attack and defense. He also has that weird ability to step into planck time.

So I am faster than Flobo, I can hack his armor, and I can mindrape him.

My "vision" for Dr. Flobo is basically the OP pic. So yeah, Doom-esque armor(wouldn't be a Doom amalgam if it weren't included, tbh.)

As for speed-superiority: Zoom is indeed a great choice there(probably the best, actually), but when you factor in Dr. Flobo's ability to absorb the speed of millions/billions of clones during his prep phase(and if need be, share fractions of his augmented speed with specific clones at will), Zoom's "faasssterrrthaaannnyyyoouuu" status, um... Diminishes quite a bit, to say the least.

I like the hacking angle for sure. Doom's armor is also fortified with high-levels magics, though, which changes things quite a bit. I certainly wouldn't put it past Henshaw to [eventually?] hack the armor(given his Source Wall feat), but the question is if he can hack billionS of Doom-level armors before he is IMP'd into oblivion within the first attosecond of the battle..? Prolly not, imo, but I can be swayed here.

The mindrape angle is a great way to cover your bases, and against one Dr. Flobo it'd be borderline perfect. Against billionS of Flobo-minds(so Doom+Lobo), moving around at Wally(++)-speeds? Nah... Nate ain't that guy.

but HOW resistant to mindrape are we talking? because most non abstract minds in comics would be susceptible to tp from most of the high end telepaths on the list.

Originally posted by DeadpoolXXX
but HOW resistant to mindrape are we talking?

Doom alone has psychic defenses in place that can essentially no-sell Emma-tier telepaths(as seen during Dark Reign, iirc.) Lobo alone has psychic defenses in place that effectively shut-out Starro the Conqueror.

*Keep in mind that Starro's TP absolutely obliterated Despero(an elite telepath in his own right)... Yet Lobo's mind was beyond his ability to overtake. Nice.

...So I won't say that Dr. Flobo is "immune" to telepathy, but I'd wager that he is about as resistant to TP as a character can possibly be without having complete TP-immunity, if that makes sense? IOW, even one Dr. Flobo isn't getting mindraped "easily" by anyone... Nevermind billionS of Flobos.

And on the topic of Lobo's mind, there are also things like this to consider:

Originally posted by ODG
Doctor Doom's inflated ego would never countenance him not being uniquely superior and would naturally try to eliminate any blood-clone seeking to supplant the "prime" Dr. Flobo. And this affliction affects every single blood-clone. They'd be more concerned with destroying each other than fighting their actual opponent because the opponent is the "lesser threat" due to their inflated ego. And they might realize that nullifying their blood-cloning ability is the quickest avenue to narrowing the field to a single "prime" Dr. Flobo. They might actually do it too.

But what becomes of Dr. Flobo after the battle matters not. 👆

Originally posted by Galan007
If those clones then did the same thing, it puts my numbers at...well...tell me what 2.5b x 50k is. 🙂

If you allow for just one more round using the 50000 figure you get 6.25e+18 clones. One more round and you get 3.125e+23 clones. That is absolute insanity, you weren't kidding about a multiverse of clones. 😂

All that limits the clone army is the amount of time it takes for them to grow.

Originally posted by LordGod
All that limits the clone army is the amount of time it takes for them to grow.

And Lobo's natural HF allows him to fully regenerate from the blood-level within seconds:

*Only difference here is that I'd be getting a separate Dr. Flobo clone for every individual droplet of blood, instead of a pool.
*Also keep in mind that Dr. Flobo's HF = Lobo's HF, further boosted by the Speed Force. IOW, far faster and more efficient blood/clone regen than what you see in those scans(if you can imagine that, lol.)

Frankly, limiting the clone army I could amass in an hour to 'just' billions is borderline offensive to Dr. Flobo's powerset, but it still gets the point across. 👆

Originally posted by Galan007
I think you might be underestimating just how vast an unrestricted Dr. Flobo army can become in a very short period of time.

Even if my initial clone "only" produced, say, 50,000 drops of blood(which really isn't much at all, especially with Lobo's HF + the directive to do this continuously for an hour at superspeed), and then those 50,000 clones did the exact same thing, that already puts my numbers at 2.5 BILLION. If those clones then did the same thing, it puts my numbers at...well...tell me what 2.5b x 50k is. 🙂

...And that all takes place within the first few seconds(hell, you can even say minutes if you want) of Dr. Flobo's prep phase. You could very well end up with a multiverse-worth of clones in an hour if Flobo went really hard. 👆

But you said an hour prep is an hour in the perception of Flobo (even if it's a nanosecond). So how many clones can be produced in a nanosecond?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I did.

Wally jumped up to Zoom's level by speedstealing from 'lesser' speedsters - Jay, Bart and Jesse, iirc.

Now he gets to speedsteal from a billion Wallys. He'd be FAR in excess of Barry/Zoom.

Plus, mind transfer into a booby trapped clone body. With prep, Flobo could have a spell - the 'attosecond' after a clone (any clone) gets it's consciousness swapped out, a spell activates which renders all their limbs immobile, all memories wiped, unable to speak or move, etc etc. then with billions of clones on the field, only one needs to make eye contact with your character and it's over.

So, during prep, Flobo will make clones and then speed-steal from them? I assumed he would create the clones and speed-steal during battle.

Even so, I'll become intangible and Cassandra Nova him.
If that doesn't work, then no amalgam from the lists can beat him and the thread is over.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I'd assume going to Limbo isn't self-BFR....

But really, it's a combination of magic- immunity (as Atom demonstrated, magic doesn't work on him when he's the size of a theoretical particle), microscopic stepping stones insideFlobo's brain, and the Soulsword for a magical lobotomy (which leaves zero blood).

All directed from Limbo, where time moves differently and the rules of physics etc all obey ZoomAto's whims. She can even look back in time, to see what the prep entails, and attack at different points in the timeline, whilst being safe from time shenanigans herself as Zoom lives in his own timeline.

I still think my amalgam would.

Even with his prep, from Limbo I can use scrying pools to look back in time to when he was a poor single Flobo.

I would still have a speed advantage, with Zoom and with Limbo's time passing at a different rate.

I open a stepping disc inside his brain, and shove the Soulsword through.

So match starts, with Zoom's speed I shrink into the size of a theoretical particle (Atom alone is fast enough to shrink as an explosion is happening, Magik alone was faster than Spectrum i.e. light) now he has Zoom's speed. At that size, magic doesn't work on me, and nothing Flobo has can touch me. At the same time I used a stepping Disc to go to Limbo where the rules of physics obey my will. From there I can attack at my leisure.