Who can stop... Dr. Flobo!? (read stips)

If someone has a scan of Leech's powers working at 500 meters I'll be curious but I don't think I've seen it.

I mean, Flobo could just pour initial speed into vertical and Fleech might be screwed to catch up.

Originally posted by Smurph
Fair enough I guess but between Lobo's bike (which he could speed lend to), Doom's mobility, and Wally's speed, it seems more likely than not that Flobo will be in control of the terms of engagement.

Provided the opportunity, I suppose Flobo could lend speed to objects(like his Spacehog or Chain & Hook), but wouldn't that come at the cost of his own personal speed(which he very much needs against Fleech)..?

Originally posted by DeadpoolXXX
well it also depends on the range of leech's null field .

Either way, Dr. Flobo still becomes powerless the moment he comes within 30' of Fleech. That's pretty significant, tbh(especially when they're both moving around at Flash-level speeds.)

Originally posted by Galan007
In control how, though? Fleech is immune to Wally's SF manipulation, immune to Doom's magic, and the rest of Dr. Flobo's powers(namely the SF and Lobo) get nullified the instant he contacts my bubble.

Provided the opportunity, I suppose Flobo could lend speed to objects(like his Spacehog or Chain & Hook), but wouldn't that come at the cost of his own personal speed(which he very much needs against Fleech)..?

From there, he has speed to spare to pour into distance attacks.

Originally posted by Smurph
In the opening second (relative second, assuming they both start at similar speeds), Flobo teleports to a random location on the planet. Fleech can find him, but in that time how many times can Flobo clone and speed up?

From there, he has speed to spare to pour into distance attacks.

Also, if Flobo's primary tactic involves him literally running away from Fleech and hyper-amping his speed just to stand a chance, then it tells you all you need to know about Fleech's lethality here. 😛

Sure, but it means this is wrong:

Originally posted by Galan007
That's what I mean: in a standard one-on-one forum battle, with no prep, Fleech should beat Dr. Flobo, imo.

Seems like that's only true if Flobo is forced into a direct confrontation with Fleech. But hard to imagine why Flobo would do that in the circumstances.

Originally posted by Galan007
In any scenario where prep(namely speed-amping before the battle) is out of the equation, Fleech(Flash+Fate+Leech) beats Dr. Flobo, imo. Hell, if speed-stealing/lending from his clones were a locked ability, Fleech could solo the entire Flobo army as well, imo.

If I had to include a fourth character(but still keep the unbalanced prep), it'd be someone with strong auto-shields, like Vril Dox... Or with prep you could add someone like Multiple Man or Dupli-Kate/Multi-Paul, and just fight fire with fire(ie. create a vast army of duplicates who would also share the same immunity to Dr. Flobo and his clones)... And Fleech could use the same speed-steal/lend trick with his duplicates as well. 👆

...And while it would be fun to include someone like Black Hand(so Fleech could also resurrect/control all the fallen Flobo clones in the same attosecond he kills them), that strat is still no good if I'm a statue -- it only works in the absence of prep.

Without prep, the Magic ZoomAto would also win.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Without prep, the Magic ZoomAto would also win.

Tbh, I'm also starting to wonder how Fleech would lose to Dr. Flobo, even in a prepped scenario..?

Granted Fleech would be a literal statue at the onset, but the instant Flobo steps foot inside Fleech's null-field(which has a radius of 30', remember), he effectively becomes powerless while Fleech [obviously] retains his attosecond-level speed... And no matter how much faster Dr. Flobo starts off, it's hard to imagine him being SO much faster that he could still "blitz" Fleech with human-level speed -- 30 feet is a LOT of ground to cover if you're: a.) human, and b.) your opponent is Barry Allen, lol.

Couldn't Flobo just like, summon a 1000 pound anvil above Fleech, a la Wile E Coyote, and lend it all of Flobo's accumulated kinetic energy?

Fate is immune to magic but not to being squished, right? And Leech's power doesn't actually cease kinetic build up.

Edit: I realize terminal velocity is a thing but I assume Flash can wilfully speed an object beyond that. Maybe I'm wrong about that.

Yeah, I guess Flobo could do something like that... Assuming he could pull it off inside of an attosecond(which is all the time it'd take Fleech to perceive/dodge it.)

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Yeah it depends on how much Wally could transfer the entirety of his speed to something else.

Alternatively summon Lobo's bike so that it runs directly through Fleech. And lend that bike all of Flobo's speed. /shrug

The Flash family can dump the entirety of their speed into pretty much whatever they want, so the tactic is sound. 👆

Only question I have is if Flobo can do so before Barry can react.

Originally posted by Galan007
👆

Tbh, I'm also starting to wonder how Fleech would lose to Dr. Flobo, even in a prepped scenario..?

Granted Fleech would be a literal statue at the onset, but the instant Flobo steps foot inside Fleech's null-field(which has a radius of 30', remember), he effectively becomes powerless while Fleech [obviously] retains his attosecond-level speed... And no matter how much faster Dr. Flobo starts off, it's hard to imagine him being SO much faster that he could still "blitz" Fleech with human-level speed -- 30 feet is a LOT of ground to cover if you're: a.) human, and b.) your opponent is Barry Allen, lol.

Speedsteal. Or Flobo could just throw chunks of his armour/rocks at lightspeed at him.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Speedsteal. Or Flobo could just throw chunks of his armour/rocks at lightspeed at him.

Originally posted by Galan007
I had thought about speed-steal, but what is the actual range for that?

do you have scans? because i thought it was more of a close range thing too.

Originally posted by DeadpoolXXX
do you have scans? because i thought it was more of a close range thing too.

Difference is that Dr. Flobo would be trying to speed-steal from Fleech here(IOW, it'd be like Wally trying to steal Barry's speed)... Given their virtually equal mastery of the SF, I'd say... Good luck with that?

Moreover, Wally often has a tendency to get up close and personal when he's trying to speed-steal from another speedster in-battle:
https://ibb.co/5gh4Zsmr
(There are several other examples, but you get my point.)

But again: if Flobo comes within 30 feet of Fleech(to *try* and steal his speed), he becomes entirely powerless anyway. 😎

true but doesn't that rely on fleech being able to extend his shield to a 30 foot range before flobo cuts his head off? or is his field always extended to that distance?

^ Leech has spent most of his life training in order to reduce the radius of his null-field so that he doesn't depower everyone in his vicinity. IOW, the training wasn't to make his null-field bigger; it was to make it smaller(akin to how Freeza's 4th form is actually his true/original form, and he developed the lower/weaker forms in order to better control his power.) Anywho, Leech does have a much better handle on his null-field these days -- for example, even when Maker and Squirrel Girl were both standing right next to him, Leech was able to single out Maker and only neg HIS superpowers.

That said, Fleech wouldn't be concerned with consciously suppressing his null-field at all here, so it should start off with a passively extended radius, imo. 🙂

Asmodel, Constantine, and Zatanna, or perhaps Barry depending on if you think speed is very important to someone like Asmodel.

Not entirely sure why the bullhost king angel is here. He was casually mopping the heavenly host and the JLA while depowered. Most recently Fought heads up with Darkseid that was challenging Empty Hand.

Constantine gives prep god status.

Zatanna for ridiculous hax.