Who can stop... Dr. Flobo!? (read stips)

Originally posted by Infinaut616
I see. But why not just stick with Barry then? He seems like a much more versatile choice.

What am I missing lol?

IOW, Dr. Flobo, with his vastly superior speed, could have still just waltzed up and stuffed a knife in Fleech's head at the onset, ftw(as Barry+Fate+Leech don't have any personal shields or massively increased durability.) Flip side, Vateech does have [uber] personal auto-shielding *thx Vril* -- so even though he wouldn't be able to perceive any one of the clones, Vateech would still be immune to pretty much anything they can do, thanks to his collective shielding which should passively nullify most of Dr. Flobo's powers/attacks... And again, he only has to stall long enough for the bio-weapon's effects to start neutralizing the clones even moreso(which would be almost immediate, tbh.)

Standard battle, though(ie. one-on-one and no prep)..? Fleech beats Dr. Flobo every single time, imo. 👆

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I'm also curious about Smurph's strat:

Originally posted by Smurph
I think I'd go

Animal Man
Mister Sinister
Loki

Even with a passive defense, a character without great speed would be statued for billions of years before a single second passes for them. A attosecond to a second is like a second to 31.7 billion years.

If then genius sorcerer Doom can't figure out a way to win after they are frozen for billions of years in his perception, he never will.

In other words, if your character can survive the first second of battle, they can't lose this fight.

I forgot Sinister, especially recent depictions....

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Eye Boy and Cyclops is such an inspired melding - and Shaw batteries get overloaded. Also, some OOC dialogue from Xavier?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Sinister being a mutant Batman:

Tons of potential there.

Originally posted by h1a8
Even with a passive defense, a character without great speed would be statued for billions of years before a single second passes for them. A attosecond to a second is like a second to 31.7 billion years.

If then genius sorcerer Doom can't figure out a way to win after they are frozen for billions of years in his perception, he never will.

In other words, if your character can survive the first second of battle, they can't lose this fight.

The Czarnian-targeting bio-weapon is delivered the instant the battle starts(so Dr. Flobo cannot out-speed it, no matter how amped he is), Fate provides complete passive immunity to all forms of magic, Leech's passive null-field negates all of Flobo's remaining powers the moment he gets in my vicinity, and Vril's passive auto-shield protects me from any physical damage that Dr. Flobo and his army might deliver before the bio-weapon hijacks them(especially if he's inside my null-field, where he'd be entirely powerless.) So if Flobo tried to "Super-IMP" Vateech with a few-million clones at the onset or w/e, it'd basically look like this when they entered Leech's null-field and slammed into Vril's shield:

*Vateech=the wall. Powerless Flobo-clones=the bullet.

As a wise man once said: sometimes the best offense is a good defense. 👆

i like it, but using vril dox just seems like a cheap way to win. 😂

*shrugs* If you told me I had an hour to prep before fighting Superman, and I had a chunk of Kryptonite sitting right next to me, I'd... Probably pack the k-nite. ermm

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I forgot Sinister, especially recent depictions....

Tons of potential there.

The way I figure, Animal Man's access to the Red and Sinister's lab and database means that he can just self produce chimeras.

Loki + Chimera = Khimera

Step one, tap into bacteria and make a legion of carbon copies. Use the Red to start tapping into specific evolutions from Sinister's lab.

Defensive Khimeras will tap into Sway for time stop, Manifold for infinite distance creation, Domino for luck. Khimera Prime will surround himself with Unus the Untouchable clones:

Support Khimeras will be an army of, say, Stepford Cuckoos for hivemind, Hope for power augmentation, Darwin for adaptive evolution, Prodigy for passive knowledge transfer.

Before the battle starts everybody magically phases except the first wave of offensive Khimeras.

Offensive Khimeras use Loki's magic to make each other "a thousand times stronger"

First wave of offensive Khimeras all combine the dna of Firestar, Harry Leland and Micromax. So when the battle starts, this instantly happens, x1000, per Khimera:

Notably, Flobo clones won't have Doom's armor or Lobo's bike so even if they survive that, they can't fly.

And those mutants are all d listers. Options scale up from there.

And of course for greater certainty, Khimera Prime can access Moira dna to ensure any wrong move just restarts everything.

couldn't all of your copies just have their speed stolen by flobo?

The exponentially amped planetary detonations happen as the match starts, not after. Among other things, the luck mutations and Hope agumentations ensure that. So the speed edge means naught, at least in the opening moments.

But we can layer on the attack for certainty. Those Khimeras all have Sinister's and Loki's telepathy (both pretty formidable, some depictions of Sinister especially so) without even touching the telepathic options in the mutant genome. So at the same time that the match starts and the Loki-amped L-bombs detonate, so can a battlefield-wide psychic meltdown. Flobo might ultimately resist it (rejecting Starro is about as good as resistance gets), but even staggering/occupying him leaves him open.

I haven't acknowledged that Khimera also has access to Leech's genome, but I guess I should have. So you could have:

Khimera Prime, protected behind Unus
Defense squads, making physical attacks and time manip impossible
Support squads, unifying the legion via hive mind, luck manip, power augmentation
and Tertiary squads, rendering enemies powerless

All phased while offensive squads nuke the solar system, physically and mentally (and emotionally! Because why not, throw Empath in there. Sinister definitely has him on file).

Originally posted by Smurph
The exponentially amped planetary detonations happen as the match starts, not after. Among other things, the luck mutations and Hope agumentations ensure that. So the speed edge means naught, at least in the opening moments.

But we can layer on the attack for certainty. Those Khimeras all have Sinister's and Loki's telepathy (both pretty formidable, some depictions of Sinister especially so) without even touching the telepathic options in the mutant genome. So at the same time that the match starts and the Loki-amped L-bombs detonate, so can a battlefield-wide psychic meltdown. Flobo might ultimately resist it (rejecting Starro is about as good as resistance gets), but even staggering/occupying him leaves him open.

I haven't acknowledged that Khimera also has access to Leech's genome, but I guess I should have. So you could have:

Khimera Prime, protected behind Unus
Defense squads, making physical attacks and time manip impossible
Support squads, unifying the legion via hive mind, luck manip, power augmentation
and Tertiary squads, rendering enemies powerless

All phased while offensive squads nuke the solar system, physically and mentally (and emotionally! Because why not, throw Empath in there. Sinister definitely has him on file).

May as well booby-trap the area around yourself with Tempus to slow time down a la The Turtle, for added security, with Ben Reilly's Spider-sense to warn him of danger:
And add Professor X brains for good measure:

Originally posted by Galan007
Barry and Wally are both high-level masters/users of the Speed Force, so in a general "Speed Force manipulation-off" or w/e, I think it'd be a relative wash between them.

Originally posted by Galan007
The difference, however, is that Dr. Flobo's mastery of the SF is further backed by the indomitable willpower/mental fortitude of Lobo+Doom,

Originally posted by Galan007
which should make him virtually immune to any SF phuckery from Barry, imo...

Originally posted by Galan007
See, you're assuming the minds of Lobo and Doom would meld in a bad way.

Originally posted by Galan007
That's the thing: absorbing the speed of millions/billions/infinities of clones isn't a prerequisite in order to render even the likes of Zoom a statue(nvm Barry) -- a handful will do just fine. How much tampering Flobo could do to the SF before everything crumbled is virtually unknown, but it takes a lot.

Like, I could just easily switch out Maxwell Lord for Jamie Madrox a/k/a Multiple Man to nullify this nonsensical notion of unlimited Speedforce re-amping. But I am uninterested in seeing both our amalgam characters spontaneously combust out of self-inflicted buffoonery due to a d1ck-measuring contest out of who could "out-Speedforce" the other.

Originally posted by ODG
If Flash comics have taught me anything, it's that the Speedforce is a mercurial font of power that is easily disrupted by its users trying to abuse it resulting in outright catastrophe. Catastrophe of cosmic proportions even. That's just Flash comics. So if your ultimate gambit relies on a no-limits fallacy in contravention of Speedforce history, then there's really no point in discussing this further.

Like, I could just easily switch out Maxwell Lord for Jamie Madrox a/k/a Multiple Man to nullify this nonsensical notion of unlimited Speedforce re-amping. But I am uninterested in seeing both our amalgam characters spontaneously combust out of self-inflicted buffoonery due to a d1ck-measuring contest out of who could "out-Speedforce" the other.

For example, even if Flobo only absorbed the speed of ONE clone, he'd still be ~2x faster than your Fantomexwell-Lord. The whole speed-stealing-from-clones-during-prep strat was really only introduced in the first place as a counter to Zoom's speed(as he is the only character on the list who would start off faster than a base Dr. Flobo)... But even in Zoom's case, Dr. Flobo would still only need to absorb the speed of 3-4 clones to be considerably faster than him. Everything else is just icing on the cake.

That said, low-level SF phuckery like that would definitely not cause any issues on a cosmic scale. Historically speaking, the SF can take a TON of abuse before it snaps -- and Dr. Flobo would undoubtedly know those upper limits anyway.

What is the physically strongest fusion you guys reckon you can make with 3 herald characters and 1 hour of prep? But no leaving the battlefield, so you can't pick Superman just send him into the sun for an hour.

I don't care about versatility (but if it comes with, that's also cool). I just mean pure physical stats. what would be the strongest?

Originally posted by Infinaut616
What is the physically strongest fusion you guys reckon you can make with 3 herald characters and 1 hour of prep? But no leaving the battlefield, so you can't pick Superman just send him into the sun for an hour.

I don't care about versatility (but if it comes with, that's also cool). I just mean pure physical stats. what would be the strongest?

Originally posted by Infinaut616
What is the physically strongest fusion you guys reckon you can make with 3 herald characters and 1 hour of prep? But no leaving the battlefield, so you can't pick Superman just send him into the sun for an hour.

I don't care about versatility (but if it comes with, that's also cool). I just mean pure physical stats. what would be the strongest?

During the prep phase I would first use UltraZorm's powers to conjure a large overhead lamp that continuously produces an intense amount of Kryptonite radiation that would already amp him passively/tremendously by itself. I would then have UltraZorm create an unlimited supply of pure Kryptonite, and just have him snort as many lines as he possibly can at superspeed during the prep phase(remember, just one line of k-nite allowed Ultraman to casually do things like: move the Moon around at superspeed, ragdoll Black Adam, and even trade blows with Mobius) -- and UltraZorm would potentially be chain-snorting thousands/millions/billions of lines here, lol. That basically IS like allowing Superman to sundip for an hour, except I can do all of this in the comfort of my own lair. Neat!

Then the instant the battle starts, I would also have UltraZorm transmute the entire field(and ambient air) into pure k-nite dust, which would passively amp his powers even moreso during the fight itself... SBP who? haw-som

*And you can't say "Ultraman is basically Superman, so he should be off the list too!!1!!!11!", because a.) He's not Superman; he's just a variant of Superman(like many others on the list), and b.) For the purposes of this basic-ass strat, I'd even be willing to start off with a fully depowered version of Ultraman as my base if need be:
https://ibb.co/zhGw2XTS
I'm a compromiser like that. 🙂

Originally posted by Galan007
Maybe like an Ultraman (DCnU) + Zoom (Hunter) + Firestorm (Jason) combo? *UltraZorm

During the prep phase I would first use UltraZorm's powers to conjure a large overhead lamp that continuously produces an intense amount of Kryptonite radiation that would already amp him passively/tremendously by itself. I would then have UltraZorm create an unlimited supply of pure Kryptonite, and just have him snort as many lines as he possibly can at superspeed during the prep phase(remember, just one line of k-nite allowed Ultraman to casually do things like: move the Moon around at superspeed, ragdoll Black Adam, and even trade blows with Mobius) -- and UltraZorm would potentially be chain-snorting thousands/millions/billions of lines here, lol. That basically IS like allowing Superman to sundip for an hour, except I can do all of this in the comfort of my own lair. Neat!

Then the instant the battle starts, I would also have UltraZorm transmute the entire field(and ambient air) into pure k-nite dust, which would passively amp his powers even moreso during the fight itself... SBP who? haw-som

*And you can't say "Ultraman is basically Superman, so he should be off the list too!!1!!!11!", because a.) He's not Superman; he's just a variant of Superman(like many others on the list), and b.) For the purposes of this basic-ass strat, I'd even be willing to start off with a fully depowered version of Ultraman as my base if need be:
https://ibb.co/zhGw2XTS
I'm a compromiser like that. 🙂

Or just transmute the lining of your nose into K-nite or something lol. Maybe add Surfer instead of Firestorm, so you now have the PC on top of transmutation.

Cyborg Supes, Silver Sufer, Super Adaptoid. I honestly doubt anyone could beat Flobo with one sided prep but when both characters have equal prep my guy will be staring the match with an army of sundipped clones similar to my second round match in Avengales tournament a while back

The Maker, Absorbing man, and Domino

This one's fun, Plasticman, Matter Eater Lad, and Turleman

Originally posted by darthgoober
The Maker, Absorbing man, and Domino

This one's fun, Plasticman, Matter Eater Lad, and Turleman