Hal and WW vs Superman

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
John at the time was head of the entire GL corps, and has a ring that is connected to the entire GL knowledge network (which, incidentally, was why Hal was fighting Zod in the first place lol). He may not personally have faced him (maybe he did?) but the GL ring is explicitly the source of knowledge on every species in the DC universe.

So no, your example falls flat as soon as you stop relying on respect threads and actually read the comics 😂

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
John at the time was head of the entire GL corps, and has a ring that is connected to the entire GL knowledge network (which, incidentally, was why Hal was fighting Zod in the first place lol). He may not personally have faced him (maybe he did?) but the GL ring is explicitly the source of knowledge on every species in the DC universe.

So no, your example falls flat as soon as you stop relying on respect threads and actually read the comics 😂

There's zero proof that he was reading Zod power level. None. Also, im going back to read this because if I remember correctly, Superman mentioned how dangerous Zod was with this amp.

Originally posted by abhilegend
John has fought Superman, kryptonians and Daxamites before. He knows the power of Superman.

Proof that he knows the power of Zod under two suns. Its like you can't read.

Originally posted by carver9
@H1,

It does hold. If Lantern can crush someone who is physically Supermans equal (and has actually worked Superman on multiple occasions), he should be able to do the same thing to Supes.

To answer your question:
Not if Superman's equal wasn't fighting at Superman's full capability.

If Zod didn't statue Hal the way Superman can, then it's irrelevant. I don't care about durability or strength when there is a huge speed difference.

Note: Hal has used his ring to nearly halt time, effectively operating at speeds far beyond light speed in a combat situation, yet Clark was still able to match his speed within that time dilation.

Originally posted by carver9
Proof that he knows the power of Zod under two suns. Its like you can't read.

It's like you're too retarded to understand words.

Originally posted by carver9
Proof that he knows the power of Zod under two suns. Its like you can't read.

John doesn't need to show this though. His ring and the fact that it contains knowledge is enough, same way you were arguing that Superman used a Legion Flight ring to time travel, even though that was a completely different ring and no mention of its time travelling capabilities was made.

In THIS storyline, the whole point of a GL ring was that it contained detailed files on everything the entire GL Corps knows. That was the entire point, and the story made a big deal out of it.

Sorry, Carv, your big example doesn't show what you want - the precise opposite, in fact, which is why I kept drawing it out. I was hoping you'd post it, hoping you'd use it lol.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Proof of what Carver? It's an explicit statement by a green lantern who has fought kryptonians and Daxamites before.

It's like you're too retarded to understand words.

What Carver needs to show is that Zod is somehow special compared to other Kryptonians, that Zod is a special case. Otherwise, John is just making a generic 'Kryptonians under 2 yellow suns' statement.

Of course, Carver would never ever argue that Zod Is Special 😂. Darksaint85 trap, activated.

Either he argues Zod is somehow special, which destroys his entire argument, or he admits that Zod is just like any other Kryptonian not named Superman, which makes John Stewart's statement valid.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
What Carver needs to show is that Zod is somehow special compared to other Kryptonians, that Zod is a special case. Otherwise, John is just making a generic 'Kryptonians under 2 yellow suns' statement.

Of course, Carver would never ever argue that Zod Is Special 😂. Darksaint85 trap, activated.

Either he argues Zod is somehow special, which destroys his entire argument, or he admits that Zod is just like any other Kryptonian not named Superman, which makes John Stewart's statement valid.

Special? So we agree that Cyborg Suprrman equals Superman? Remember, Superman said that as well. Since I mentioned it first, let's start there.

Originally posted by h1a8
Remember, Superman is more skilled and experienced with his powers than Zod.

To answer your question:
Not if Superman's equal wasn't fighting at Superman's full capability.

If Zod didn't statue Hal the way Superman can, then it's irrelevant. I don't care about durability or strength when there is a huge speed difference.

Note: Hal has used his ring to nearly halt time, effectively operating at speeds far beyond light speed in a combat situation, yet Clark was still able to match his speed within that time dilation.

Statue Hal? WTF are you talking about?

Originally posted by carver9
Special? So we agree that Cyborg Suprrman equals Superman? Remember, Superman said that as well. Since I mentioned it first, let's start there.

John does not need to have faced Zod specifically. He's a Kryptonian, like any other Kryptonian, right? Nothing special about Zod. So no need to show John fighting Zod.

All Kryptonians (not named Superman, obvs) are the same. Only if Zod is special, do I need to show John Stewart fighting him in order to gauge his level accurately (ignoring the whole 'Gl ring is a repository of all knowledge '.

You did say it first. So do statements count or nah? Because if it does, sure Cyborg Superman can be Superman level.

And 2 Sun Zod is Rogol level, who is Superman level.

Originally posted by carver9
Statue Hal? WTF are you talking about?

Action Comics #642
Hal's ring nearly halted time to the point where a fraction of a nanosecond stretched into several minutes of perception for Hal's spirit. Clark Kent was able to move at superspeed to have a conversation with Hal and move around casually within this time dilation, similar to how the alternate future Gladiator used superspeed to match Thor and the Fantastic Four in their time dilation.

The ring did this autonomously while Hal was unconscious, searching for a suitable replacement since he was gravely injured.
I can post scans if you like.

So if Zod can match Superman's high-end speed, then he should also be able to statue Hal.

Originally posted by h1a8
Action Comics #642
Hal's ring nearly halted time to the point where a fraction of a nanosecond stretched into several minutes of perception for Hal's spirit. Clark Kent was able to move at superspeed to have a conversation with Hal and move around casually within this time dilation, similar to how the alternate future Gladiator used superspeed to match Thor and the Fantastic Four in their time dilation.

The ring did this autonomously while Hal was unconscious, searching for a suitable replacement since he was gravely injured.
I can post scans if you like.

So if Zod can match Superman's high-end speed, then he should also be able to statue Hal.

What other statue showings for you have? I see you keep clinging to this showing. Anything else?

Originally posted by carver9
What other statue showings for you have? I see you keep clinging to this showing. Anything else?

Superman and Flash are having a race across the Earth, and during the race, they are moving so fast that they stop into a diner while time is essentially frozen around them. They casually talk and even take a break mid-race. Time is so frozen that the people in the diner are basically statues.

The femtosecond scene where Superman saved Lois.
" In the time it takes a photon to cross the diameter of a hydrogen atom - about a femtosecond - I can see the bullet, the hammer, the trigger finger,... "

Originally posted by h1a8
Superman and Flash are having a race across the Earth, and during the race, they are moving so fast that they stop into a diner while time is essentially frozen around them. They casually talk and even take a break mid-race. Time is so frozen that the people in the diner are basically statues.

The femtosecond scene where Superman saved Lois.
" In the time it takes a photon to cross the diameter of a hydrogen atom - about a femtosecond - I can see the bullet, the hammer, the trigger finger,... "

Didn't Superman have to enhance his senses to do that and it wasn't natural like Flash super speed was (always active)? Am I remember this wrong?

A femtosecond to a nanosecond is like a second to about 11+ days. So in that instance, a nanosecond would have felt like over 11 days to Superman.

Originally posted by carver9
Didn't Superman have to enhance his senses to do that and it wasn't natural like Flash super speed was (always active)? Am I remember this wrong?

Yes, you remembered it wrong. This is the last time you tried to pull this exact same stunt:

Originally posted by -Pr-
If it was anyone else I would assume they just misread the scan and needed clarifying. With you, it's clear you're just a trolling dick.

Originally posted by h1a8
A femtosecond to a nanosecond is like a second to about 11+ days. So in that instance, a nanosecond would have felt like over 11 days to Superman.

Is this the scene youre referencing?

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Also, how fast do you have to be for the world to be at a standstill? Hercules with Spiderman powers did something similar except bullets were frozen in mid air for him while he sat that and thought about how everything was at a standstill.

Lmao can you even read his post?

He's referencing two separate scenes, you smooth brained idiot.

Originally posted by carver9
Also, how fast do you have to be for the world to be at a standstill? Hercules with Spiderman powers did something similar except bullets were frozen in mid air for him while he sat that and thought about how everything was at a standstill.

Yo, you talking about this?

Because if so, Herc doesn't say anything about bullets being frozen in midair. Unless you have a different scan?