Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Pretty sure Wanda is no speedster.Not even sure who the other person is. Anole?
We can both agree that a human isnt dodging bullets or attacks from Cable trying to stab them? Or reacting to Hawkeye arrows? All of these takes speed and is faster than any human in the Superman diner scene.
This was all explained to you six years ago:
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Carver, this was explained to you by Phildo, Galan and myself five years ago:https://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=659628&pagenumber=3
Originally posted by abhilegend
Anyways.Superman overpowers an army of robots which were overpowering the entire DC Earth - including, but not limited to: Swamp Thing, Zatanna, Wonder Woman, Flash, Martian Manhunter, Green Lantern, Captain Marvel, Supergirl [repost]
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Mighto could've done the same thing to those robots.
Originally posted by carver9
There's literally zero evidence of Flash going atroseconds in that scene. Zero. Flash doesnt need to go at those speeds to perform the ft he did. Example, Quicksilver who wasn't even FTL performs the same ft but with super humans around. The world was at a halt. I'm guessing he's attoseconds in speed as well.The femto speed showing with Superman is hyperbole.
1. I already explained that it doesn't prove attoseconds were ticking by like they were seconds - see my quote below.
My point is that in the very same issue, Barry stated he can perceive events that last for less than an attosecond, so the writer's intent is clear. Even if attoseconds weren't ticking like seconds, it was damn close. A femtosecond is three orders of magnitude larger than an attosecond, so suggesting the perception wasn't at least femtosecond-level would be unreasonable and completely against the writer's intent.
2. Why do you think Superman's narration of "a femtosecond later" is hyperbole? Do you really believe the writer had no intent for Superman to be actually perceiving events on a femtosecond-by-femtosecond basis?
No one uses the word "femtosecond" figuratively - it's not a common word by any stretch of the imagination.
If you believe that, then by that logic, every narration describing the magnitude of an event would have to be considered hyperbole as well. That would mean most of Thor's, Hulk's, Surfer's, and others' feats aren't valid either. Yet you argue those feats as if they're not hyperbole. Double standards?
Originally posted by h1a8
For the diner feat (Superman #709), in that same comic, Barry states he can "perceive events that last for less than an attosecond." While this doesn't prove attoseconds were passing like seconds for Superman, it does clarify that Superman had to exert himself to match Barry's level of perception.
Originally posted by carver9
Lol... Flash could've said he can circle the earth a trillion times in a second. That doesnt mean that every scene after that would be at those speeds. 🤦🏿
This is about perception, not movement speed.
It's the same comic - not a different one - and the writer is clearly informing the audience of the level at which Flash can perceive events. The intent is obvious.
If a writer states that, in a specific comic, a character perceives a microsecond as a second, are you really going to assume they aren't perceiving it that way without any contradictory evidence?
Originally posted by h1a8
This is about perception, not movement speed.It's the same comic - not a different one - and the writer is clearly informing the audience of the level at which Flash can perceive events. The intent is obvious.
If a writer states that, in a specific comic, a character perceives a microsecond as a second, are you really going to assume they aren't perceiving it that way without any contradictory evidence?
What does Flash being able to perceive things in attoseconds have to do with Superman?
Originally posted by carver9Superman had to exert himself just to match his level of perception. Even if you lowball the feat and say Superman was only perceiving events a thousand times slower, that still puts him in the femtosecond range.
What does Flash being able to perceive things in attoseconds have to do with Superman?
Originally posted by h1a8
Superman had to exert himself just to match his level of perception. Even if you lowball the feat and say Superman was only perceiving events a thousand times slower, that still puts him in the femtosecond range.
Superman didn't match Flash perception, he matched Flash movement during the time Flash decides to eat a sandwich at super speed. It doesnt take Flash a attosecond to pull the ft he did. He casually pulled off that showing and again, nothing referenced him needing to go at atroseconda to do it.
Originally posted by carver9
Superman didn't match Flash perception, he matched Flash movement during the time Flash decides to eat a sandwich at super speed. It doesnt take Flash a attosecond to pull the ft he did. He casually pulled off that showing and again, nothing referenced him needing to go at atroseconda to do it.
Being able to perceive attoseconds doesn't mean he can eat a pie in an attosecond. To Flash, attoseconds felt like normal seconds - or at least fractions of a second. Eating a slice of pie takes a few minutes at most, which translates to hundreds of attoseconds.
The writer's intent is clear, Carv. Superman sped up his senses to match Barry. Do you really believe the writer meant for Superman's perception to be over a thousand times slower than Barry's while they were interacting and conversing at superspeed?
Originally posted by h1a8
Being able to perceive attoseconds doesn't mean he can eat a pie in an attosecond. To Flash, attoseconds felt like normal seconds - or at least fractions of a second. Eating a slice of pie takes a few minutes at most, which translates to hundreds of attoseconds.The writer's intent is clear, Carv. Superman sped up his senses to match Barry. Do you really believe the writer meant for Superman's perception to be over a thousand times slower than Barry's while they were interacting and conversing at superspeed?
I dont believe Flash every move in that comic was atrosecond or if he went attosecond speeds at all. Nothing hinted to it. The writer also wrote Sentry expelling 100 million exploding suns when he fought Hulk. Do you think Hulk was hit with a 100 million exploding suns in his fight against Hulk?
It was a long time ago now, considering his more recent feats but Wally West himself once had a complete mental breakdown because he saw Superman move faster than him, which Superman did exactly when he needed to.
All he needs in any story is a reason to be faster, a reason to be stronger, a reason to be more powerful, and as long as he believes, he becomes that thing.
Everything about him is pure cosmic mythology.