Originally posted by carver9
Collaterally damage? 🤣🤣🤣
Yes inconsistencies and contradictory evidence.
No one is arguing against those feats. I'm just pointing out that you accept those statements as true, while you routinely argue against statements in DC based on what you perceive as a discrepancy between the claim and what is shown.
Originally posted by h1a8
Again, you are missing the point.Yes inconsistencies and contradictory evidence.
No one is arguing against those feats. I'm just pointing out that you accept those statements as true, while you routinely argue against statements in DC based on what you perceive as a discrepancy between the claim and what is shown.
I accept narration as fts, not most character statements because most characters just boast sometimes, including Superman. Everything you've mentioned did not help your argument. Example, I could've posted this ft to back up Hulk pummeling a character that had FULL access to Franklin, Magneto, Xavier and Xman powers, but I didn't because Hulk destroying a being of such power would easily put him on abstracts level of power. Yes, this was also said by a narrator, but im not ABHI or you, and I won't hype Hulk above levels he isnt meant to exceed.
Remember, Hulk punched him so hard that he was pieces on the ground.
Originally posted by carver9
I accept narration as fts, not most character statements because most characters just boast sometimes, including Superman. Everything you've mentioned did not help your argument. Example, I could've posted this ft to back up Hulk pummeling a character that had FULL access to Franklin, Magneto, Xavier and Xman powers, but I didn't because Hulk destroying a being of such power would easily put him on abstracts level of power. Yes, this was also said by a narrator, but im not ABHI or you, and I won't hype Hulk above levels he isnt meant to exceed.Remember, Hulk punched him so hard that he was pieces on the ground.
This doesn't address my point.
Again, you accept those statements (narration and character statements) as true when discrepancies are shown, while you routinely argue against statements in DC based on what you perceive as a discrepancy between the claim and what is shown.
Until you address this it will be repeated.
Originally posted by h1a8
"Make up my mind" implies that I gave contradictory statements, but I did not. I stated that a character's statement should be considered true if there is no surrounding contradictory evidence. While my stance is NOT that a lack of collateral damage equals a lack of power, my statement doesn't contradict that position.It's interesting how you never address Carv when he argues against DC feats based on collateral damage discrepancies.
To answer your first question:
In some cases, yes, and in others, no. It depends on the totality of the circumstances.
In Sentry's case, he has never demonstrated the power of even one exploding sun. Claiming that Sentry exerted the power of a million exploding suns is like saying Spider-Man was exerting the power of a million exploding planets, no reasonable person would believe that based on Spider-Man's career and the vast discrepancy between the claim and the actual collateral damage.
Do I believe both were putting out more power than the collateral damage suggests? Absolutely. But not to the level of a million exploding suns, given the magnitude of the discrepancy and Sentry’s entire history.
In the Beyonder vs. Molecule Man fight, we have supporting evidence of both characters' power based on other feats. Additionally, in fiction, energy blasts can be concentrated and precisely controlled, so the lack of collateral damage is not indicative of the power output.
Agreed most of the time the feats make no sense. Superman benching the the Earth’s weight for an entire week straight made no sense when we consider that no type of nautilus gym equipment could support such weight. Even the most durable alloy in DC and Marvel combined could not stand up to that amount of stress. This is why we have to respect narration or the entire farce falls apart. They said that he possessed the power of 1 million exploding suns even if he lacked feats of possessing the power of 1 million exploding anuses, we still have to accept it as canon to the Sentry character, and need the to change our perspective to although he has never shown such power, Marvel stated that it is canon despite how we view things. Imagine the tale without pictures. We would be forced to believe it.
Originally posted by h1a8
This doesn't address my point.
Again, you accept those statements (narration and character statements) as true when discrepancies are shown, while you routinely argue against statements in DC based on what you perceive as a discrepancy between the claim and what is shown.Until you address this it will be repeated.
You have narrator statements I ignored?
Originally posted by carver9
You have narrator statements I ignored?
500,000 Koreans materialising on a hilltop 35 miles away after 0.00001microseconds. Before you say it, remember my explanation which doesn't ignore anything, as the narration clearly only said he carried them there under lightspeed, which I am not ignoring
Originally posted by carver9
All you did was add things to the comic that was never said. The cyborg showing isn't a speed ft and the Flash showing, I didn't ignore the narrator. I accepted it.
Moving the goalposts so soon? Where did h1 or I limit you to speed narratives 😂
What did I add? Remember, you're the guy who added that Hyperion held universes back when narration said no such thing 😂
Originally posted by StoicNot true. DC has metal created to be made into chains that can be used to haul stars.
Agreed most of the time the feats make no sense. Superman benching the the Earth’s weight for an entire week straight made no sense when we consider that no type of nautilus gym equipment could support such weight. Even the most durable alloy in DC and Marvel combined could not stand up to that amount of stress. This is why we have to respect narration or the entire farce falls apart. They said that he possessed the power of 1 million exploding suns even if he lacked feats of possessing the power of 1 million exploding anuses, we still have to accept it as canon to the Sentry character, and need the to change our perspective to although he has never shown such power, Marvel stated that it is canon despite how we view things. Imagine the tale without pictures. We would be forced to believe it.
Originally posted by Juntai
Not true. DC has metal created to be made into chains that can be used to haul stars.
One appearance of said alloy can not and should not be relied upon 100%. Hyperbole does exist. I’m not trying to lowball the Superman feat, because as it stands Hyperion has a better strength feat than even that. I’m just saying that the alloy in question has about one showing unless I’ve missed the mark?
Originally posted by Diesldude
It was explicitly stated and shown on panel I don’t know how that feat can be disputed, what’s giving him these answers? deepfake?
The Destroyer armor, Adamantium, Mjolnir, America’s Shield, even c were at one time or the other said to be indestructible. What happened? Time happened.
Originally posted by carver9
You have narrator statements I ignored?
So you're moving the goalposts now? You only accept the narration? Yet you've accepted character statements in Marvel multiple times, even when they conflict with what was shown. You've also dismissed the narration in some DC feats. DS posted a few examples of that.
Originally posted by Stoic
One appearance of said alloy can not and should not be relied upon 100%. Hyperbole does exist. I’m not trying to lowball the Superman feat, because as it stands Hyperion has a better strength feat than even that. I’m just saying that the alloy in question has about one showing unless I’ve missed the mark?
Hyperbole? So you think the scientist measuring Superman's strength was exaggerating when he stated that Superman was benching the equivalent weight of the Earth for five straight days?
Although Superman has two or three infinite strength feats, breaking Kerenthium chains is possibly the greatest quantifiable strength feat in comics. We're talking about a force of at least a million times the weight of the Sun.