Originally posted by carver9
Hes not on Superman usual level though. Superman usual level was getting laughed at by Zod...The usual Superman was trying to drop Zod and failed and then got treated like fodder afterwards. We cant ignore this since fights matter.
But it counts as a good showing for Zod.
It's not a great showing for Superman.
Think of it this way: WW Vs Batman is a bad showing for WW, but a great showing for Batman. We know it's a bad showing for WW, because she has amazing space cheese feats.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But it counts as a good showing for Zod.It's not a great showing for Superman.
Think of it this way: WW Vs Batman is a bad showing for WW, but a great showing for Batman. We know it's a bad showing for WW, because she has amazing space cheese feats.
Zod has minimal showings, and this showing aligns with most of his showings. Remember, per Dark, if the person doesnt have as many showings, everything we see is valid. Batman and Wonder Woman has enough showing for us to know their average. Zod doesn't. The showing stands.
Originally posted by carver9
Zod has minimal showings, and this showing aligns with most of his showings. Remember, per Dark, if the person doesnt have as many showings, everything we see is valid.
Yup.
But it doesn't align with Superman's showings< his 'space cheese' feats, as Carver says. It's valid for showing how Zod stands with a 'generic' Superman. But is Superman at Full Capacity, fighting at nanosecond, shattering planets, HVing moons or whatever level?
It's like Ben Grimm doing well against Hulk. Does that mean Ben Grimm has Hulk's highest showings? Of course not, Hulk at Full Capacity would smoke him.
We see this in Hulk's current storyline, with Lycana, or any of the random monsters he fights every week. Are they suddenly WBH or even WWH level, just because they fought Hulk? No. But we know they're powerful because they're fighting Hulk.
But if Hulk went ALL out, they'd get smoked. Hulk wouldn't even have to kill (remember, as per WWH he never kills).
Edit: just read your edit. Sure, we can use one of WWs rogues. Is Giganta as fast as WW? Can she pull suns like WW can? The Shattered God feat - can Giganta do the same?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yup.But it doesn't align with Superman's showings< his 'space cheese' feats, as Carver says. It's valid for showing how Zod stands with a 'generic' Superman. But is Superman at Full Capacity, fighting at nanosecond, shattering planets, HVing moons or whatever level?
It's like Ben Grimm doing well against Hulk. Does that mean Ben Grimm has Hulk's highest showings? Of course not, Hulk at Full Capacity would smoke him.
We see this in Hulk's current storyline, with Lycana, or any of the random monsters he fights every week. Are they suddenly WBH or even WWH level, just because they fought Hulk? No. But we know they're powerful because they're fighting Hulk.
But if Hulk went ALL out, they'd get smoked. Hulk wouldn't even have to kill (remember, as per WWH he never kills).
Zod treating Superman like fodder only proves that Zod can replicate Superman fts. That's all that does. Heck, Zod has done better against Superman foes than Superman has.
I don't know why you keep bringing up Grim and Hulk. It's been said on panel on multiple of occasions that Hulk holds back against him. He sat there and let Ben punch him in the face just like Zod did to Superman. Let's not forget that Ben also has upper tier showings like toppling Galactus and doing better against Champion than any other earth hero. Yes, im mentioning that just like you mentioned Flash fight against Anti Monitor as a usable ft.
At the end of the day, the small showings Zod have puts him above a standard Superman. An all out Superman, they are probably equals.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Edit: just read your edit. Sure, we can use one of WWs rogues. Is Giganta as fast as WW? Can she pull suns like WW can? The Shattered God feat - can Giganta do the same?
Wonder Woman holds back against Giganta. We've seen Diana treat her like fodder when she wanted to. If i saw Giganta just standing there tanking WW punches while WW is screaming out "fall damn you" and is making pain noises every time he punches Zod. How TF am I supposed to ignore this?
Originally posted by carver9
Zod has minimal showings, and this showing aligns with most of his showings. Remember, per Dark, if the person doesnt have as many showings, everything we see is valid. Batman and Wonder Woman has enough showing for us to know their average. Zod doesn't. The showing stands.
Originally posted by carver9
Zod treating Superman like fodder only proves that Zod can replicate Superman fts. That's all that does. Heck, Zod has done better against Superman foes than Superman has.I don't know why you keep bringing up Grim and Hulk. It's been said on panel on multiple of occasions that Hulk holds back against him. He sat there and let Ben punch him in the face just like Zod did to Superman. Let's not forget that Ben also has upper tier showings like toppling Galactus and doing better against Champion than any other earth hero. Yes, im mentioning that just like you mentioned Flash fight against Anti Monitor as a usable ft.
At the end of the day, the small showings Zod have puts him above a standard Superman. An all out Superman, they are probably equals.
Originally posted by carver9
Wonder Woman holds back against Giganta. We've seen Diana treat her like fodder when she wanted to. If i saw Giganta just standing there tanking WW punches while WW is screaming out "fall damn you" and is making pain noises every time he punches Zod. How TF am I supposed to ignore this?
Originally posted by abhilegend
Anyway, Rogol Zaar literally beat Zod to a pulp.He was equal to Superman in strength as per Superman himself.
Muh Zod lol
Lol that's what I was going to post, good one.
@Carver: Superman also holds back against his foes even when he's getting angry? Like WWH telling Strong Guy (STRONG GUY!) and Beast to stop dancing around him, even when he's trying to end things as quickly as possible.
Bottom line is, PIS happens. Flash can casually cross dimensions after Abra Kadabra to get a lollipop back in one comic, then somehow get tagged by Trickster in another despite the comic saying he's trying his best. This isn't new. Savage Hulk can get choked out by a snake, despite him supposedly being able to evolve past attacks like that, despite having nigh-limitless strength. You know this.
Zod casually tanking Superman's punches - do you think Superman is at his absolute best in those scans? Lois-is-dead, The-Multiverse-is-on-the-line, Batman-is-waiting-for-me-afterwards-if-I-win, absolute best?
Originally posted by carver9
[B]Zod has minimal showings, and this showing aligns with most of his showings. Remember, per Dark, if the person doesnt have as many showings, everything we see is valid. /B]
I never said if a character didn't have as many showings, that EVERYTHING is valid. PIS still exists, after all.
Come back when you actually understand my point.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Anyway, Rogol Zaar literally beat Zod to a pulp.He was equal to Superman in strength as per Superman himself.
Muh Zod lol
Wait, didn't Zaar one punched koed Superman twice in one fight, blitzed him and almost killed him while Superman had help?
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Lmmfao... Zod actually did FAR better againsg Zaar than Superman did.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Lol that's what I was going to post, good one.@Carver: Superman also holds back against his foes even when he's getting angry? Like WWH telling Strong Guy (STRONG GUY!) and Beast to stop dancing around him, even when he's trying to end things as quickly as possible.
Bottom line is, PIS happens. Flash can casually cross dimensions after Abra Kadabra to get a lollipop back in one comic, then somehow get tagged by Trickster in another despite the comic saying he's trying his best. This isn't new. Savage Hulk can get choked out by a snake, despite him supposedly being able to evolve past attacks like that, despite having nigh-limitless strength. You know this.
Zod casually tanking Superman's punches - do you think Superman is at his absolute best in those scans? Lois-is-dead, The-Multiverse-is-on-the-line, Batman-is-waiting-for-me-afterwards-if-I-win, absolute best?
🤦🏿🤦🏿🤦🏿.. if you was going to post that, it would've been for nothing. What happened, Saint? 😭😭😭
I was drawing you out, seeing how long it takes you to revert lol.
So you don't think PIS happens in fights? You still think character statements hold weight (my initial point)?
Because we now have a contradiction, no? Rogol = Superman (as per statements, which you were using). Rogol thrashes Zod, which means Rogol > Zod, which means Superman is > Zod....
But Rogol thrashes Superman, so Rogol is >> Superman...but according to Superman, Rogol is = Superman!!
So which am I right on? Statements are trash? Or PIS happens?